Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION Spaceopoly Titans Idol! (WE HAVE A WINNER!!!)

Gosh. I never thought I would still have two of my favorites left in the final round.

I knew from the first round that Kole would be here at the end (and would/will probably win) but well done to Flamebird for making it here too. (And Wally, though his inclusion is much less of a surprise. I knew one of Dick, Donna or Wally would be here too. Just wasn't sure which.)

But who to give my vote to now? The shooting star who was taken from us far too soon? Or the quiet fighter who's been hanging on for around fifty years and has only recently started achieving the recognition she deserves?

I'd be happy with either one winning but since Kole has felt like the fait accompli for so long, I'll vote for Flamebird to keep things interesting.

Sorry IB, Comic book Raven needs to be like her original self. They tried making her into the cartoon Raven in a mini-series they did a couple of years back.

Can't say I'm that familiar with current Raven, Quis. Based on Wolfman-Perez Raven up to evil Raven, my reaction is mostly based on what they did with evil Raven.

I do admit though that the original Raven was very likable - she was tortured but very compassionate, and THAT characterization I liked a lot.

Or not. I greatly dislike that version of the character so seeing her last for so long like that was a source of great frustration for me.

I wouldn't call myself the biggest fan of the comics version of Raven either (though I do like her) but I think the extensive character work she received made her a MUCH stronger and more interesting character than the animated one - which to me just seemed like the writers had created a Mary Sue for every bookish emo/goth outsider who wished they could be as droll and aloof and quick/dry-witted as she was. A pandering manipulation of a character-type that pops up so much on TV these days that IMO any one of a number of similar characters could have stepped into animated Raven's costume with very little noticeable difference to the show.

That clears up the mystery from many rounds ago, Blacula, on which of your picks you thought would end up winning

I have to say that yours and Quis' opinions have swayed me somewhat. Any good recommendations for particular issues that show Raven's good, gradual character development? I followed her story arc in the original Wolfman-Perez run but kind of got lost after the Titans fought Trigon.

Also, any issues to avoid in particular, like the ones where she became a stripper-vampire who planted Trigon seeds in many beloved chaarcters?

*pops in unexpectedly*

FLAMEBIRD for the win!

On the Raven tangent, I'd be fine with either the fun Animated Raven personality or the weight-of-the-world very serious classic Raven personality, but for powers, I hugely prefer Animated Raven.

The flight and the darkforce stuff was much more active than classic Raven's passive 'team transport / healer with poor control of her powers' role.

(Pre-Flashpoint) Flash (Wally West)

I doubt anyone else will vote, so...

THE FINALE!

The results for this were much closer than the Legion Idol results, but after a long hard game, we have...

Flamebird and Flash tie with 3 votes each! Using accumulated votes to break the tie -

Flamebird racked up 759 before this, while Wally got 813, so...

Flamebird comes in a well-deserved third, seeing as how she returned to the list and outlasted 8 other Titans to make the finals!

Flash / Kid Flash, the first Titan to "graduate" and a long-serving member of the team, comes in 2nd!

and your champion...

KOLE, despite having had such a short tenure, managed to touch many of our hearts since it was both far too short and way too good!

Incidentally, Kole got a total of 1135 points before this round.


Summary:

Kole - 4 votes - WINNER
Flash (Wally) - 3 votes + 813 accumulated votes - 2nd place
Flamebird - 3 votes + 759 accumulated - 3rd place

Three cheers for our winners!

Special award goes to 4th placer Nightwing/Robin (Dick), for having the single highest point total in the game at 1165.

Thanks to Blacula, Future, Lard Lad, Power Boy, Quislet Esq., Set, Vee for voting every single round of this game, and Dave Hackett, Eryk Davis Ester and lowercase mllash for also participating!

Here's the list of everyone who got more than 500 points throughout the game. First number is their final rank, last number is the total points.

4 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Nightwing / Robin (Dick Grayson) 1165
1 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Kole 1139
2 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Flash (Wally West) 816
5 - (Teen Titans Animated) Raven 799
10 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Donna Troy 772
8 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Captain Marvel Jr. 765
3 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Flamebird 762
6 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Tim Drake) 660
11 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove I (Don Hall) 632
12 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Bumblebee 626
7 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Lilith / Omen 592
13 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Martian 571
9 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) 570
14 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest 548

And here's the full list of Titans, by final rank.

1 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Kole
2 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Flash (Wally West)
3 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Flamebird
4 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Nightwing / Robin (Dick Grayson)
5 - (Teen Titans Animated) Raven
6 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Tim Drake)
7 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Lilith / Omen
8 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Captain Marvel Jr.
9 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)
10 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Donna Troy
11 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove I (Don Hall)
12 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Bumblebee
13 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Flamebird (first elimination)
14 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Martian
15 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest
16 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Arrow / Arsenal
17 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Golden Eagle
18 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Wendy (Proxy)
19 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove II (Dawn Granger)
20 - (Post-Flashpoint) Bunker
21 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Raven
22 - (Teen Titans Animated) Beast Boy
23 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Beast Boy
24 - (Teen Titans Animated) Starfire
25 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Herald (Mal Duncan)
26 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Joker's Daughter (Duela Dent)
27 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Zatara II
28 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) (first elimination)
29 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Martian (first elimination)
30 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Superboy
31 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Terra II ("false" Tara Markov)
32 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Aquagirl I (Tula)
33 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Golden Eagle (first elimination)
34 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Impulse / Kid Flash (Bart Allen)
35 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Joto / Hotspot
36 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Ravager (Rose Wilson)
37 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Cyborg
38 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Starfire
39 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Star
40 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Magenta
41 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawk I (Hank Hall)
42 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Damage
43 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Kid Devil
44 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Speedy (Mia Dearden)
45 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Bushido
46 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Terra I (Tara Markov)
47 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Son of Vulcan
48 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Solstice
49 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Pantha
50 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
51 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Osiris
52 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Power Boy
53 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Jericho
54 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)
55 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Bombshell
56 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Kid Eternity
56 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Lagoon Boy
56 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Prysm
57 - (Post-Flashpoint) Skitter
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Aquagirl II (Lorena Marquez)
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Danny Chase
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Gnarrk
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Hero Cruz
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Jesse Quick
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Lightning
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Mirage
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Offspring
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Damian Wayne)
57 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Thunder
57 - (Teen Titans Animated) Beast Boy (first elimination)
57 - (Teen Titans Animated) Bumblebee
57 - (Teen Titans Animated) Cyborg
57 - (Teen Titans Animated) Jinx
57 - (Teen Titans Animated) Robin
57 - (Teen Titans Animated) Terra
58 - (Kingdom Come) Aquagirl (Tula)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Aquaman (Garth)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Darkstar (Robert Terry Long)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Flash (Wally West)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Kid Flash (Iris West)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Nightstar (Mar'i Grayson)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Red Arrow (Roy)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Red Hood (Lian Harper)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Red Robin (Dick)
58 - (Kingdom Come) Wonder Girl (Donna)
58 - (Post-Flashpoint) Danny the Street
58 - (Post-Flashpoint) Kid Flash
58 - (Post-Flashpoint) Red Robin
58 - (Post-Flashpoint) Solstice
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Argent
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Atom
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Azrael
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Baby Wildebeest
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Chris King
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Marvin
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Minion
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Phantasm (Souls of Azarath version)
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Risk
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Static
58 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Supergirl (Matrix)
58 - (Team Titans) Killowat
58 - (Team Titans) Redwing
58 - (Team Titans) Wonder Boy
58 - (Teen Titans Animated) Aqualad
58 - (Titans Tomorrow) Terra III (Atlee)
59 - (Deathstroke's Titans) Cheshire
59 - (Deathstroke's Titans) Cinder
59 - (Deathstroke's Titans) Deathstroke
59 - (Deathstroke's Titans) Tattooed Man
59 - (Post-Flashpoint) Superboy
59 - (Post-Flashpoint) Wonder Girl
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Anima
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Enigma
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Fringe
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawk III (Holly Granger)
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Little Barda
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Mas
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Menos
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Molecule
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Protector
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Jason Todd)
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Talon
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Young Frankenstein
59 - (Team Titans) Anvil
59 - (Team Titans) Aurora
59 - (Team Titans) Battalion
59 - (Team Titans) Crystal
59 - (Team Titans) Dagon / Nightrider
59 - (Team Titans) Deathwing
59 - (Team Titans) Droom
59 - (Team Titans) Force One
59 - (Team Titans) Gunsmoke
59 - (Team Titans) Jaws
59 - (Team Titans) Judge
59 - (Team Titans) Jury - Hellebore
59 - (Team Titans) Jury - Monsieur Poniard
59 - (Team Titans) Jury - Silent Vapor
59 - (Team Titans) Jury - Volt
59 - (Team Titans) Lapidus
59 - (Team Titans) Liquid Joe
59 - (Team Titans) Metallik - Axe
59 - (Team Titans) Metallik - Backbeat
59 - (Team Titans) Metallik - Bongo
59 - (Team Titans) Metallik - Brass
59 - (Team Titans) Metallik - Fusion
59 - (Team Titans) Prestor Jon
59 - (Team Titans) Silver Shield
59 - (Team Titans) Sniper
59 - (Team Titans) Spectrum
59 - (Team Titans) Sunburst
59 - (Team Titans) Two-Gallon Hat
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Argent
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Bobby
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Bushido
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Gnaark
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Herald
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Hotspot
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Jericho
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Kid Flash
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Killowatt
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Kole
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Lightning
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Mas
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Melvin
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Menos
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Pantha
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Red Star
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Speedy
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Teether
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Thunder
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Timmy Tantrum
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Tramm
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Wildebeest
59 - (Teen Titans Animated) Wonder Girl
59 - (Titans East) Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)
59 - (Titans East) Inertia
59 - (Titans East) Kid Crusader
59 - (Titans East) Match
59 - (Titans East) Sun Girl
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Animal Man (Gar)
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Aquawoman (Lorena)
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Batman (Tim)
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Batwoman
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Bumblebee
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Cyborg 2.0
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Dark Raven
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Flash (Bart Allen)
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Martian Manhunter (M'gann)
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Ravager (Rose Wilson)
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Red Devil
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Superman (Kon-El)
59 - (Titans Tomorrow) Wonder Woman (Cassie)
59 - (Pre-Flashpoint) Traci 13 (missed from the list in the first round, participated in Wild Card round without progressing)

IB,

In your final list, you have Flamebird listed twice.


As far as Raven goes, I hold out for the Wolfman/Perez characterization. (the same can be said for Jericho) Everything after seems to just take the character away fromwhat is core to the character. Mind you, I like the animated Raven, but only in the animated series.

Thanks, Quis. I edited the list to note that the 2nd listing of Flamebird (plus Miss Martian, Blue Beetle, Golden Eagle and animated Beast Boy) is when they were FIRST eliminated.

I have to agree that Wolfman-Perez remains the best, though there are some works from them that chip away at said "good" characterization. For example, the recently-released "Games" shows Jericho with about 8 simultaneous girlfriends, and it is hinted that both Jericho and each of the girls consider these romantic rather than platonic relationships. My issue isn't that Jericho has romantic relationships with women, it's that he would knowingly have 8 simultaneous ones.

So... would anyone be up for a JLA Idol version soon?

duh.

and yay KOLE! She was my favorite going in, with maybe Donna Troy as well, but Flamebird stole my heart and my votes.

How unfaithful of you!

JLA Idol coming up within the next couple weeks

Thanks guys, I had a lot of fun with this one.

Besides JLA, which other teams would you like to see?

I'm thinking JSA after JLA, but that's it for DC teams... as for Marvel teams, only X-Men and Avengers, IF ever. But since I'm not a big Marvel fan I'm not really that excited on doing any games for Marvel teams.

JSA after JLA could be fun, Ibby! Hard to think of any other DC teams besides the ones we've done and those two The Marvel ones you mention could be fun, too. But if the enthusiasm isn't there, well, I know I don't have the time and energy to run one of these thangs!

Even though, none of my faves in Titans Idol made it all the way, I had a lotta fun! I've never even read a Kole story other than her quick death in Crisis, but I'm a sucker for short-lived heroes. When she made it so far, I was happy to support her!

I sure hope to read Kole's appearances eventually, along with most of the Wolfman/Perez run that I've never had the privelege to experience thus far.....

The thing with Kole is that she's popular *despite* herself. She didn't get a lot of characterization, and her origin story was crazier than Donna Troy's, in that, for all that Donna had a convoluted mess of contradictory origins, Kole's origin story was just bizarre, with a dash of contrived, and, IMO, best forgotten.

Her powers had a great visual, and she came across as a really nice person, with a hint of an edge that we never got to see explored.

I'd love her for her powers alone, although the only other lady 'crystal-spinner' I know of in comics, Krystalin, of the X-Men 2099, was a vastly more interesting character (who, granted, had entire issues devoted to fleshing out her characterization and backstory, was a more 'first-tier' character in her own team's book, and had a longer run as a character, IIRC).

And then there's Crystal Kid, who hasn't really caught a break yet.

I think Kole's tragically short tenure combined with how she was written in Crisis to make her so well-loved.

I read both her Crisis appearances and her main Titans book appearances, and I have to say that if I'd only read her in Titans I wouldn't have cared about her at all. There was her awful origin as mentioned, and she also spent much of that time weeping and being generally overwhelmed.

On the other hand, in Crisis she was confident, sure of herself, very pleasant, optimistic and acted like a pro - I was surprised to find out she wasn't one of the Titans mainstays, she acted so competent!

yeah, her whole Thia and the Old Titans storyline and origin pretty much was like an acid trip (and drawn beautifully as an acid trip) but ... her kicking butt in the Crisis and after her origin ... sold me on her and I thought it was a shame to lose her so quickly. Was this a misjudgement on the writer's part or ... did it make us love her even more? Probably a bit of both.

Also, I love the take on her powers, she's like the age old ice generating character but ... with a fresh twist. Also actually being able to turn people into crystal ... was great! and vicious!

I liked her look too, she was cute, not too slutty or babe like.

The Wolfman-Perez run had quite a few highlights that I'm sure you'd love, Lardy! Re Kole, as mentioned above you didn't really miss much as IMO her best moments were in Crisis

Re Avengers and X-Men, I'm really thinking of running them though if ever they'll be faster-paced than these other games have been