Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION Spaceopoly Titans Idol! (WE HAVE A WINNER!!!)

Poor Wonder Boy goes home ...

Looks like the horn blower advances.

and what a shocking top three ...

Round 2 begins!

Since we only have 53 Titans left, it's time to RANK! Please rank your Top 20 Titans!

This round will end in 3 days - the morning of Wednesday, PST (that's Wednesday evening my time).

Points will be given as follows:

Rank - Points

1 - 125
2 - 100
3 - 80
4 - 65
5 - 50
6 - 40
7 - 35
8 - 30
9 - 25
10 - 21
11 - 18
12 - 15
13 - 12
14 - 9
15 - 7
16 - 5
17 - 4
18 - 3
19 - 2
20 - 1

Bottom 18 go home, bringing us down to 35!

House Rules

1) Each round will last about 48 to 72 hours, and will end early morning PST.
2) I'll vote at or near the start of every round to eliminate bias on my part.
3) While I don't encourage changing of votes, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored.
4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, and that poster wasn't able to correct the error in time, he or she will get a makeup vote next round - +15 points to give a Legionnaire of their choosing.
5. Ties will be broken by looking at the accumulated votes Legionnaires earned in previous rounds.
6. Voting rules may change every round, so read carefully before posting!

Your 53 Titans!


(Post-Flashpoint) Bunker

(Pre-Flashpoint) Aquagirl I (Tula)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Beast Boy
(Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Bombshell
(Pre-Flashpoint) Bumblebee
(Pre-Flashpoint) Bushido
(Pre-Flashpoint) Captain Marvel Jr.
(Pre-Flashpoint) Cyborg
(Pre-Flashpoint) Damage
(Pre-Flashpoint) Donna Troy
(Pre-Flashpoint) Dove I (Don Hall)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Dove II (Dawn Granger)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Flamebird
(Pre-Flashpoint) Flash (Wally West)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Golden Eagle
(Pre-Flashpoint) Hawk I (Hank Hall)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Herald (Mal Duncan)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Impulse / Kid Flash (Bart Allen)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Jericho
(Pre-Flashpoint) Joker's Daughter (Duela Dent)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Joto / Hotspot
(Pre-Flashpoint) Kid Devil
(Pre-Flashpoint) Kid Eternity
(Pre-Flashpoint) Kole
(Pre-Flashpoint) Lagoon Boy
(Pre-Flashpoint) Lilith / Omen
(Pre-Flashpoint) Magenta
(Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Martian
(Pre-Flashpoint) Nightwing / Robin (Dick Grayson)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Osiris
(Pre-Flashpoint) Pantha
(Pre-Flashpoint) Power Boy
(Pre-Flashpoint) Prysm
(Pre-Flashpoint) Ravager (Rose Wilson)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Raven
(Pre-Flashpoint) Red Arrow / Arsenal
(Pre-Flashpoint) Red Star
(Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Tim Drake)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Solstice
(Pre-Flashpoint) Son of Vulcan
(Pre-Flashpoint) Speedy (Mia Dearden)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Starfire
(Pre-Flashpoint) Superboy
(Pre-Flashpoint) Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest
(Pre-Flashpoint) Terra I (Tara Markov)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Terra II ("false" Tara Markov)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Wendy (Proxy)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)
(Pre-Flashpoint) Zatara II

(Teen Titans Animated) Raven
(Teen Titans Animated) Starfire

I knew Bumblebee and Duela had large fan followings, but I didn't expect them to beat most of the "main" Titans, either (and Roy is the most popular founder? I didn't expect that). Maybe some of us didn't vote for the "main" Titans because they felt they were safe - I know I skipped them so I could vote for less well-known ones.

Not surprised that Raven and Starfire are the most populated Animated Titans, they really rocked.

I am a bit surprised that Argent didn't get a single vote from anyone else - was she that snotty/horrible? I found her decently likable (but then, I didn't read the Titans religiously when she was with the team).

A bit disappointed that Kyle Rayner didn't make it through. Wonder if he'll do better when we play JLA Idol?

Mirage and Offspring didn't make it either... and I was the only one who voted for Supergirl (Matrix) and Minion I almost voted for Static and Terra (Atlee) too, but they still wouldn't have made it.

Dove (Don), Dove (Dawn) and Hawk (Hank) all ended up with different scores too!

Making this list was tougher than I thought... Not just picking my Top 20, but actually ranking them.

1 (Pre-Flashpoint) Kole
2 (Pre-Flashpoint) Terra II ("false" Tara Markov)
3 (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Martian
4 (Pre-Flashpoint) Ravager (Rose Wilson)
5 (Pre-Flashpoint) Beast Boy
6 (Pre-Flashpoint) Flamebird
7 (Pre-Flashpoint) Bumblebee
8 (Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)
9 (Post-Flashpoint) Bunker
10 (Pre-Flashpoint) Solstice
11 (Pre-Flashpoint) Wendy (Proxy)
12 (Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest
13 (Pre-Flashpoint) Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
14 (Pre-Flashpoint) Damage
15 (Teen Titans Animated) Raven
16 (Teen Titans Animated) Starfire
17 (Pre-Flashpoint) Bushido
18 (Pre-Flashpoint) Aquagirl I (Tula)
19 (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove II (Dawn Granger)
20 (Pre-Flashpoint) Joker's Daughter (Duela Dent)

<---- Breathes sigh of relief. Could not have handled losing Mal in the FIRST round!

Definitely some very interesting results after this round IB.

I'm also surprised to see Argent only got one vote. She used to be among my very least favourite members of this team but I've somewhat warmed to her since the Jurgens/Grayson years. Would have thought she was more popular with others though.

Other early exit surprises - Batgirl, the Robins: Damien and Jason, Jesse Quick, Static, Supergirl: Matrix, Green Lantern...

I'm not as sorry to lose that last one as you though. Kyle is an OK character but he's much more a JLA one than a Titans one - as he proved when he turned against the team in JLA/Titans!

The top 3 were a surprise, but a happy one. Especially Bumblebee! Where'd THAT surge in popularity come from?!?

As for the placements of the founding 5 - I knew Dick, Donna and Wally would make it through just fine without my votes. I wonder if others felt the same?

Fun game!

I make no secret of my interest in minor, lower-tier, z-grade comic book characters and his appearance in this thread, combined with your love for him PB , has got me fascinated in this Wonder Boy of which I have no memory!

I am going to pull out my old Team Titans issues and give all the posters in here a rundown of the amazing WONDER BOY before this game is done!

I was surprised that Bumblebee, Duela and Flamebird were so popular too - Bette got only one vote less than the first two! Pleased to see Kole and Tula doing quite well too, with only one vote less than Bette. Looks like love for the more obscure underdog Titans is strong!

I'm actually surprised Mal ranked so low. Given the popularity of the three gals above...! Maybe the girls are just more popular in general?

Somewhat pleased to see Solstice, CM3, Magenta, Bunker, Lagoon Boy, Pantha and Proxy, among others, squeak through. Can't say I'm truly elated, though - these characters are all (IMO) interesting and pleasant, but I don't "know" them well enough to really jump for joy.

Not too surprised that Jesse (or Kyle) didn't make it, since they're more associated with other teams. Sad for Kyle, since I see his tenure in the Titans as a nice story about him growing up, but not surprised.

Not too surprised about Batgirl or Damian or Jason Todd either, since they weren't really associated with the Titans (and Damian has been pretty snotty before!).

I knew the Founding 5 + the Perez/Wolfman biggies (Kory, Raven, Vic, Gar) would make it through no problem. It'll be interesting to see how they rank in the end, though!

Glad you're having fun, Blacula! Keep the comments coming, I love how these Idol games tend to spur discussion on the characters

um ... I actually never read a comic with Wonder Boy in it ... so he may suck ... but I find him wackily interesting based from what small tid bits I've read on the internet ... I also have a huge interest in little used characters ... <cough> Nam'Lor <cough> ... heh heh

1. Donna Troy
2. Kole
3. Lilith
4. Captain Marvel Jr.
5. Flamebird
6. Red Arrow
7. Golden Eagle
8. Nightwing (Dick Grayson)
9. Dove (Don Hall)
10. Flash (Wally West)
11. Superboy
12. Starfire
13. Cyborg
14. Tempest
15. Miss Martian
16. Speedy (Mia)
17. Zatarra II
18. Bumblebee
19. Power Boy
20. Beast Boy

1 (Pre-Flashpoint) Nightwing / Robin (Dick Grayson)
2 (Teen Titans Animated) Raven
3 (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove II (Dawn Granger)
4 (Pre-Flashpoint) Wendy (Proxy)
5 (Pre-Flashpoint) Donna Troy
6 (Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Tim Drake)
7 (Teen Titans Animated) Starfire
8 (Pre-Flashpoint) Cyborg
9 (Pre-Flashpoint) Beast Boy
10 (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawk I (Hank Hall)
11 (Pre-Flashpoint) Joto / Hotspot
12 (Pre-Flashpoint) Raven
13 (Pre-Flashpoint) Starfire
14 (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove I (Don Hall)
15 (Pre-Flashpoint) Flash (Wally West)
16 (Pre-Flashpoint) Impulse / Kid Flash (Bart Allen)
17 (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Arrow / Arsenal
18 (Pre-Flashpoint) Superboy
19 (Pre-Flashpoint) Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)
20 (Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest

I was disappointed that all of the main 5 from the animated series didn't make it in. here's hoping animated Starfire and Raven go far!

Also, I'm a big fan of the Stephanie Brown Batgirl series, so I'm hoping Wendy/Proxy goes far!

1 (Pre-Flashpoint) Joker’s Daughter (Duela Dent)
2 (Pre-Flashpoint) Kole
3 (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Martian
4 (Teen Titans Animated) Raven
5 (Pre-Flashpoint) Superboy (Conner)
6 (Pre-Flashpoint) Nightwing / Robin (Dick Grayson)
7 (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Arrow / Arsenal
8 (Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest (Garth)
9 (Pre-Flashpoint) Son of Vulcan
10 (Pre-Flashpoint) Golden Eagle
11 (Pre-Flashpoint) Zatara II
12 (Teen Titans Animated) Starfire
13 (Pre-Flashpoint) Terra I (Tara Markov)
14 (Pre-Flashpoint) Osiris
15 (Pre-Flashpoint) Bumblebee
16 (Pre-Flashpoint) Damage
17 (Pre-Flashpoint) Power Boy
18 (Pre-Flashpoint) Jericho
19 (Pre-Flashpoint) Ravager
20 (Pre-Flashpoint) Bombshell

1 (Pre-Flashpoint) Captain Marvel Jr.
2 (Pre-Flashpoint) Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)
3 (Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest
4 (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove I (Don Hall)
5 (Pre-Flashpoint) Robin (Tim Drake)
6 (Pre-Flashpoint) Zatara II
7 (Pre-Flashpoint) Kid Devil
8 (Pre-Flashpoint) Damage
9 (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Arrow / Arsenal
10 (Pre-Flashpoint) Herald (Mal Duncan)
11 (Pre-Flashpoint) Impulse / Kid Flash (Bart Allen)
12 (Pre-Flashpoint) Nightwing / Robin (Dick Grayson)
13 (Pre-Flashpoint) Flash (Wally West)
14 (Pre-Flashpoint) Superboy
15 (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawk I (Hank Hall)
16 (Pre-Flashpoint) Bumblebee
17 (Pre-Flashpoint) Joker's Daughter (Duela Dent)
18 (Pre-Flashpoint) Donna Troy
19 (Pre-Flashpoint) Miss Martian
20 (Pre-Flashpoint) Cyborg

Peebz, I'm assuming this is for comics Starfire and not Animated Starfire


Ah, what could have been... A crossover between those two teams, in those two eras, would have been awesome!

I like all three Titans you mentioned too, and I really prefer Animated Raven and Starfire to their comics counterparts too!

I'm surprised at how male-heavy my lists turned out to be. I usually end up lopsided in the other direction.

Similarly, I've put zero thought into how this team would balance, and have Superboy, Osiris, Damage, Miss Martian, Bombshell and Power Boy (who, more or less, are very similar powerhouses) alongside scrappier non-powered (or 'lightly powered') characters like Nightwing, Arsenal, Joker's Daughter, Ravager, Son of Vulcan and Golden Eagle.

I artificially limited myself to picking only one version of a character, but, in retrospect, I kinda wish I'd voted for both Animated Kory *and* Pre-Flashpoint Kory. I love them both!

I see about 5 trivia thread questions I can ask, based on that image.

I also wondered whether many of us would vote differently if our objective were to create a team vs. to simply vote for our favorites. I know MY lists would be different for both this game and Legion Idol.

I also found myself being "overly inclusive" - when making my list I realized that I hadn't read a single issue with Bushido in it, yet included him because I know he's Asian and liked his look!

At least I can say Solstice, Bunker and Jaime Reyes are on my list because I read issues featuring them and liked how they were written!

Knowing that there's only going to be one winner at the end of all this (which, by the way, even now, I have a feeling I know who that winner is going to be) I'm not paying attention to the "team balance" in my votes at all.

I'm really surprised that there are voters here voting for characters that they've never actually read in a comic before. You guys must be supremely disinterested in a lot of the Titans that you have actually read! haha

yes the pre flashpoint Starfire. Now that I think about it maybe I should've ranked her higher.

P.S. IB - Bushido was actually a pretty cool character with a great look and an interesting back-story (if a little too similar to Katana's).

I was super-disappointed when Geoff Johns offed him in Infinite Crisis but since he was his creator, I guess that was his right.

I find it quite disrespectuful when writers kill off other writers' characters and since Geoff Johns and James Robinson are such serial committers of that crime, I find myself really wishing someone would kill off their pet characters, Stargirl and Starman (much as I like them), just so that they can learn what it feels like!

1. (Pre-Flashpoint) Herald (Mal Duncan)
2. (Pre-Flashpoint) Aquagirl I (Tula)
3. (Pre-Flashpoint) Bumblebee
4. (Pre-Flashpoint) Magenta
5. (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Star
6. (Pre-Flashpoint) Joto / Hotspot
7. (Pre-Flashpoint) Lilith / Omen
8. (Pre-Flashpoint) Golden Eagle
9. (Pre-Flashpoint) Bushido
10. (Pre-Flashpoint) Flamebird
11. (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove I (Don Hall)
12. (Pre-Flashpoint) Pantha
13. (Pre-Flashpoint) Speedy (Mia Dearden)
14. (Pre-Flashpoint) Hawk I (Hank Hall)
15. (Pre-Flashpoint) Cyborg
16. (Pre-Flashpoint) Red Arrow / Arsenal
17. (Pre-Flashpoint) Joker's Daughter (Duela Dent)
18. (Pre-Flashpoint) Kid Devil
19. (Pre-Flashpoint) Tempest
20. (Pre-Flashpoint) Dove II (Dawn Granger)

I liked Bushido too, I only read two issues with him in it, one where he died but ...I think a look and interesting back story might be more than other characters have going for them!!! I thought he was a bit angry ... which I liked.

heh heh

I also did actually liked the similarity with katana's origin ... (if not the actual origin ... too many Asian characters have this *my power is my ancestors* b.s. why? I don't know how they got singled out as having special ancestors? haha) but i thought it created a great link between an older character and him as a second generation version ... which is what the titans are.

I usually find myself voting for the underexposed, more minor characters in games like this. Besides the Legion games of course.

I think it's because the more popular characters (e.g. JLA Big 7, Titans Founding 5 + Wolfman/Perez kids) tend to go under the pens of diff. writers, and some give good characterization, some give bad, it kinda tends to even out for me. And even though I like a lot of them, there are only a few that I like so well that I'd throw lots of votes their way since I know they'll likely end up sticking around anyway

A good example is Beast Boy, who was a big fave around the Titans LA era up to the latest pre-Flashpoint series. But boy, I found him annoying at various points of the Wolfman/Perez run!

Re Bushido, I remember reading his bio on Titans Tower a while back and found it pretty cool that he also appeared in the toon. I liked the part of his backstory about being "forced" to carry on the family tradition -something a lot of young Asians can relate to. His joining Titans LA was nice, and I liked that team's lineup - both individually (I voted for all of them save CM3 in Round 1, and only left CM3 off because I was sure he'd make it) and as a group (looked like they'd have interesting dynamics).

Re the ancestor thing, it's pretty common in a lot of Asian cultures. Ancestors are revered because we wouldn't be around without them And we often pray to them for guidance and good luck. Not too far away from drawing strength and powers from our ancestors.

One example is August, the hungry ghost month. Chinese believe that the ghosts of ancestors and other supernatural spirits are released from hell, so we offer food to appease them. My favorite is when we burn paper "money" (not the real currency!!!) so our ancestors can use them in the afterlife.