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#362367 09/28/07 03:40 PM
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Keith\'s Wizard column

The url is for the main site. You can find Keith's column easy enough from there.

"How about stories that should have been written, but weren't?

• "Black Dawn." That'd be from my "5 Years Later" Legion stint."

That would've rocked. They should've let him do it as a mini now during all the Infinity Crisis stuff.

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Do you have another run of LSH in you, as writer, artist or both?

One more issue of art if Paul [Levitz] ever wants to revisit the old gang.

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Here's a particularly interesting comment.

"2) Karate Kid was, and still is, a character I despise. As a matter of fact, way back when, the only reason I stayed on the Legion when it went Baxter was because Paul promised I could kill him. I am so hoping history will repeat itself."


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#362370 09/28/07 05:42 PM
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Karate Kid reference: I don't quite understand how a writer or artist could despise any fictional character - enough to just want to kill them off?

When in a position of having creative license, why not either improve the character or shelve them for someone else later? I always thought the death of a character should be for story telling purposes, not vendetta. The comments on Karate Kid by Mr. Giffen seem a little strange to me.


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#362371 09/28/07 06:11 PM
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It seems strange... AND annoying... to me as well, and I'm a colossal "Giffan".


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#362372 09/28/07 06:45 PM
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I don't know. I think everyone has one character that for some reason or another they just want to wipe out, and if it can serve a good story that is just a plus.

#362373 09/28/07 07:14 PM
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Well, I guess. I personally can't wait to become head of DC and wipe out The Joker entirely.


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#362374 09/28/07 08:25 PM
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If I got to be DC EiC, there'd be a huge-yet-specific trail of gore if I got my way...

PS: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/archive/giffen.cfm


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#362375 09/28/07 08:46 PM
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As DC EIC I would create Giffin Boy, a guy in a cape with no super talents and forgotten drawing skills. Then I would kill him, again and again. He would make Kenny seem like Ras Al Ghul.

#362376 10/01/07 04:38 AM
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Giffens 5YL was also great because the story of Black Dawn was NOT told at first. To figure out piece by piece what had been happening was very interesting for me, like some detectives work. Certainly, later on, at least after the Dominator story arc was over, he should have told it - but he was off the book then.

I don't know if it would make much sense to tell the story today - off course I would buy it, but who else?

#362377 10/01/07 11:52 AM
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If I hated a character (and I have a few) I wouldn't kill them or even try to improve them. I just wouldn't use them. Let somebody else down the line that likes them do something worthwhile with them.

With that said? This team is a Legion...they probably should have their fair share of member deaths.

#362378 10/01/07 05:40 PM
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Looking back at Giffen's original work and comparing it to not even two years later I have to wonder when he suffered the blunt trauma to the head. In my opinion his later work was so bad it almost hurt my eyes to try to read the stories.

That could be part of why I'm not a big fan of the five years later stuff. That and the dirty future thing.

#362379 10/01/07 06:01 PM
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Karate Kid is one of my favorite Legionnaires,I thought it sucked when Giffen killed him off just because he did'nt have powers and in his opinion did not belong in the Legion and then he brought him back in the SW6 batch and killed him off again,I always disliked mystical characters in the Legion but rather than kill off the White Witch I would rather she just left the group.


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#362380 10/02/07 06:23 PM
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4) Out of all of your works done for the big two companies, which are you least happy with and why?

Not that thrilled with my work on the LSH “Magic War” storyline. My head wasn’t in it (see: EMPEROR’S NEW CLOTHES) and it shows. Sorry, Paul.
I have to say that WAS the worst Giffen art I've ever seen. He was probably all ready to do 5YG and didn't have his heart in the Magic Wars...at all.

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"2) Karate Kid was, and still is, a character I despise. As a matter of fact, way back when, the only reason I stayed on the Legion when it went Baxter was because Paul promised I could kill him. I am so hoping history will repeat itself."
With all due respect, I'm "SO" hoping not!

#362382 03/21/08 03:56 PM
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Hmmm. His latest :

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SIX BRAIN FARTS (being useless things that are stuck in my head that I really wish would go away)

#4: THE ORIGIN OF COMET THE SUPER-HORSE. Just... Just shoot me.

#6: THE HOME PLANETS OF EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES. Proof positive that I exceeded my tolerances on that particular book.

#362383 03/22/08 12:38 PM
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"2) Karate Kid was, and still is, a character I despise. As a matter of fact, way back when, the only reason I stayed on the Legion when it went Baxter was because Paul promised I could kill him. I am so hoping history will repeat itself."
With all due respect, I'm "SO" hoping not!
well that's too bad...because Karate Kid has died for the third time no matter what book Keith is associated with. The latest one recently was in Countdown. frown

#362384 03/23/08 12:23 AM
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Keith Giffen from an interview in 2003 -

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I just wanted to see him get it. If I was on the book today I'd want to kill that snake

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Giffen kill the original Emerald Empress, too.
For me...
It's only a bad and egocentric writer, and worse artist.


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Originally posted by EmeraldEmpress:
Giffen kill the original Emerald Empress, too.
For me...
It's only a bad and egocentric writer, and worse artist.
I agree one hundred percent.


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#362387 03/23/08 10:52 AM
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I disagree. Both the deaths of Karate Kid and the Emerald Empress were well told and powerful stories. I think we have to take Giffen's musings as a bit of tongue in cheek. Giffen is a true giant in Legion lore, and had his hand in some of the most amazing Legion stories ever told. Sure, there is some ego involved, but I don't think we should dismiss his talent.


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Originally posted by Jerry:
I don't think we should dismiss his talent.
What talent? tongue

And while I'll allow that the LSV arc where KK died was a good story (partly because most of it was pencilled by Steve Lightle over Giffen's layouts), no one can convince me that the death of Emerald Empress story is anything but utter trash, especially since Levitz-without-Giffen had so impressively redefined the Empress in the Sensor Girl/New Fatal Five story. Levitz/Giffen's Empress story was a waste of a great character and a waste of trees.


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#362389 03/23/08 12:57 PM
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[QB] well that's too bad...because Karate Kid has died for the third time no matter what book Keith is associated with. The latest one recently was in Countdown. frown
He died AGAIN?? So was he the Lightning Saga Version or the Action version or the 3-boot version?

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I didn't like his art in the period in which Sarya died, either.

But his work from a handful of stories before The Great Darkness Saga until the issue just before the Omen storyline is wonderful. Among my favorites on any title. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone there.

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I don't think his art worked at all on the Magic Wars storyline. Giffen is awesome, however.

Levitz was far better when he had Giffen working with him, imo, and his run slowly descended into blandness once Keith left.

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