Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Let's Talk About LSH #2...(potential spoilers ahead)

Yeah, me neither. I kind of like it. I hope we'll see more interaction between these two. (But not to the exclusion of other characters.)

Issue # 2 has hooked me but good. I wasn't sure I liked the new Legion after issue # 1, but Waid had me cracking up at the end of this issue...and that was BEFORE I saw the goats. The marriage thing was funny enough already, and the goats clinched it for me.

The personalities are starting to feel like the Legionnaires I know and love, especially Brainiac 5.

Were the covers to # 1 and # 2 switched around? Star Boy, prominent on this issue's cover, was nowhere to be seen, whereas Brainiac 5, the focus of the first issue's cover, was one of the main characters of this issue.

Sun Boy and Cham debating remind me of the Sun Boy and Cham I know!!! Cham has been such a blank state lately I can't wait to see him debate(and not talk like the Hulk). Me wright u wrong!

Regarding the strong women...I wonder if the rings give them a forcefield or something? That would be cool. They can get blasted and shrug it off...and deliver a mean punch.

Regarding: Hotties as scientists.

I grew up reading the Levitz Legion and thought it was interesting that the two top scientists after Brainy were the ones always trying to get laid...Dream Girl and Sun Boy. It added some depth to their characters. I thought they were just there to run after the oppossite sex and look good in battles.

Welcome Jorg, glad you enjoyed the work.

Barry - One question:
- Is the assassin in the beginning wearing the symbol for the United Planets on his tunic?

Hi Drake - Yes he is - he was acting as translator for the UP at the beginning.

To answer a couple of other questions - Chris made the call on Dreamy's hair...she may turn platinum later... if the story calls for it

No one is married in this LSH. You will learn more of Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad's whereabouts very soon!

The idea for the covers 1-6 was that they wouldn't be too related to the interiors but give a 'flavor' of the book. After #6 when a deal more of what's happening has been revealed they will be more story related...or that's the plan at least

Goats.

That was great.


(lovin' this book).

I agree. I think that is the reason why Nura brought her to Naltor - she knew she was the only legionnaire she could depend on to "clock" her if need be. You'll notice Karate Kid hesitated to do it.

I'm very frustrated right now, I haven't had a real chance to actually READ #2. Flipped through it though, beautiful artwork by Barry.

More later when I can sit down to read the book....

I enjoyed the book, but I really am a little concerned about Nura's big vision.

Either:

a: Her vision comes true and a terrible war occurs, which I have no interest in reading at all. We had enough of that in the last Legion, and there's plenty of real-life war to go around right now.

b: Nura misinterpreted her vision somehow.

c: Somehow her powers are being manipulated by an outside agent.

d: Her vision should be true but something prevents if from coming to pass, a la Brainy's speech at the end.

The problem with those option is that three of them undermine the effectiveness of Dream Girl at long-term predictions which strikes me as happening a little early in the series. And the other option is that a violent terrible war is going to happen that I don't know if I will care to read about.

I'm not sure what to think about it really. I'm sure there's a specific reason Waid put it there, but I guess I'm being a little concerned that we might be getting a little writerly misdirection so early on. Dream Girl's powers are always a little convienient as a tool to set a plot in motion. I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt for now though.

Wow, that was even better than issue #1. Great story, great art, and GREAT characterization. Since Dream Girl IS my fave Legionnaire, I was thrilled to see her kicking ass.

My only quibble is her look--love the costume (especially the changing graphics on her leggings), but I really miss the white hair and the beauty mark.

I didn't #2 was out yet, but my buddy picked it up for me yesterday. What a nice surprise!

I doubt the Legion will be fighting in a war, however I imagine one will come to pass briefly. The goal seems to be to prevent or mitigate one though.

I loughed out loud twice while reading it, and I really don't tend to laugh while reading comics. So, yes, I'm loving this. Dreamy's joke (or not?) at the end was wonderful. And Gim falling through the roof...very nice. But how come Brainy knew this was going to happen? Did he calculate it all?I just love the way Naltor looks, great job there, Barry.

Quibbles:
-I HATE to see Dreamy as a blonde. If this was Chris' choice... well, let's just say it was a bad one...
-This underage/adult conflict still grates quite a bit. But I'm willing to see where all of this goes.
-I honestly still don't understand the way Dreamy's powers work. I thought things that she sees are going to happen. Or can they be prevented/modified? Does she see probabilities or the one real future? Can she tell the difference?
-And Karate Kid should have easily won that fight.

I'll read the book again later on, I might come up with more comments.

I think Brainy was right and the Naltorians are misplacing their devotion to destiny. The evidence is right their in the issue, for all to see: The Precommandos. They are trained to fight by anticipating opponents moves and countering them thereby altering the conflict. All they need to do is apply this on a Societal scale and note that by divining the coming War, they can all work to counter it. I'm surprised Brainy didn't make this extrapolation.

I don't see it as an adult vs. children conflict honestly but a societal shift in the way things are done. Like the Mejii revolution.

What exactly grates people in this issue about adults and the Legion?

Not having got a copy yet, I'm getting very frustrated ........

Could Naltorian powers be explained as a general view of multiple futures with a few more clearly defined in their "visions", and as events progress, a few get sharper and the others fall away, until a sequence of events is set in train which sharpens the focus on one future as the most likely. Then taking a set course of action may make it possible to shift the focus to a preferred future ... I seem to remember a book with an idea like this in the 70s ... but I'm getting old and forgetful.

Hope to get issue 2 soon ...

My guess is the the Natalorians BELIEVE its only one future and do their best to follow the road to it. Its probably alot of subconscious blocks on it or ability to rationalize away they aren't perfect.

Remember Dreamy and the five robots after all.

Frank Herbert's DUNE uses precognition (or "prescience) in a similar fashion

For those unaware, the Meiji revolution occurred in mid-19th century Japan. Essentially, that nation's feudal society was thrust into one much more like that of the industrial West.

A similar thing's happening in this 31st-century U.P. The adults are trying to protect their youth much as concerned parents will shield their kids from things deemed harmful. I could easily see myself in a UP adult's shoes, esp. looking at how dangerous today's society is to a child's innocence.

However, there is the question of free will. It seems that The Service has removed the choice factor in the name of protection. That's what the Legion stands against.

Only if you think it makes him intellectually inferior. This like saying that if you have Superboy on the team then you can't have Supergirl, Mon-El, and Ultra Boy.

Has Ayla changed her powers at this point? You do know that Dream Girl was the one to make it happen using _science_, right?

What makes them better candidates? From the above list, only Sun Boy and Wildfire make any sense. Dream Girl makes as much sense as the other two.

If you want to put her in a box, sure.

When Dream Girl first joined in the preboot, didn't she do so because she had a vision that the Legion was going to die? IRRC, she then resigned because her vision was proven false. IOW, it's nothing new to have her visions undermined from the get-go.

My take on this is the longer away the vision is, the more likely it is that they can be changed due to more variables.

Two things come to mind here. One, he calculted, like you said, because he knows the way Gim and Jo act. Two, he knew that Nura wouldn't be moving if something weren't about to happen.

Other remarks on LSH #2, upon 2nd reading:

--the page 7 silhouettes (by row, left to right, positive IDs in CAPS):
Projectra, COS, DREAMY, Invisible Kid,
KARATE KID, Light Lass, Sun Boy, Cham, Saturn Girl, Star Boy,
Phantom Girl, Ultra Boy, SHADOW LASS, "Micro Lad"
ELEMENT LAD, Triplicate Girl, "Atom Girl," Lightning Lad.

I wanna draw them allllll. I wonder if this "ID" page is to be a regular feature?

--I like the 3boot Brainy. Except those wires...they're SO late 20th-century sci-fi. Heyyyy...maybe that's the point. Super-anachronism and all...AND a way to boost his portable processing power without relying on the corrupt Service.

--"...this precognitive FLAKE..." Is this this month's "It. Didn't. Look. Like. A. Bomb" line?

--I like how different Legionnaires are holding different convictions and reasons for being in the team. Brainy's got a long-range plan and seems to be even more revolutionary than others. Shady's in it more for the rebellious thrill, it seems.

--Precommandos are great. I, too, was a little put out by how the one owned KK. But no matter how good a fighter is, if your opponent knows what's coming seconds in advance, right down to knowing exactly WHEN it's coming (which is very different from the Bruce Lee anecdote), then you have a fight that even KK can't win easily. And even with all that advantage, KK fans, notice that the PC had to resort to a weapon to handle him.

--"Look at my eyes...which are up HERE, by the way..." Oooo! Maybe THIS is the "IDLLAB" line! This scene is a great not-bluff by Nura.

--KK, true to his yin-yang nature, sees both sides of the issue.

--The last talk between Dreamy and Brainy does a lot for showing his real heart. No longer the one-dimensional boor of the early reboot, is he? And yet he's just as fun to read about. And he still has a powerful blonde to obsess over.

--"Hebetudinous." Man, I've learned so many big words from reading comics.

--So where'd the goats come from, I wonder?

"Hebetudinous"

Hee. I had to look that word up too! Comics make you smart, yo.