Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Visionaries of Tomorrow Costume Design sketches...up dated..TF added

Barry,

You are bringing back an (across the board) enthusiasm for the Legion that I haven't seen in a long time. I've been a Legion fan since 1980, and this truly feels like a rebirth...and that's just based on the incredible previews.

I'm also glad to see the return of individuality. I don't mind "uniforms" that much, but the large "L"'s with the over-sized ultilty belts were ridiculous in appearence. Your sketches are fantastic and I can't wait for it all to begin on the 29th!!!

I have to agree with Myg. Barry is really helping to sale this new series. Unfortunately, some of Mark's comments (no Fatal Five?!!) have irritated me.

I love the Phantom Girl costume with the Duo Damsel boots. Though I always liked Dave Cockrum's bell bottom outfit, I just think the first design by Barry would work better. But the design being used is fine...as long as she loses the black gloves...they look out of place.

I can't say I'll miss the Fatal Five. Oh, sure, I might like to see them at some point down the road, but their overuse in the reboot era doesn't make me want to see them anytime soon.

Ok, ok...no Fatal Five. I can handle that.

But what about a Grimbor or Charma cameo?? Surely they could squeeze that one in for old time sake. Yes?

Hi Guys - thanks as always for the support and enthusiasm! I have to admit - I'm really looking forward to being able to discuss #1 with you soon!

As far as elements like the Fatal Five go - we've taken a decision to NOT retell any old LSH stories and to steer away from using the enemies they've fought time and time again...at least for the first three years

As for cameo appearances and tips of the hat to LSH history go... they'll be all over the place...just keep your eyes peeled!

I agree with you there... I'm not too sure about Waid writing the book either... I wasn't convinced by the preview. The only thing that's making me want to buy the new comic book is Barry's art so far.

I like how a lot of their logos/symbols help describe they powers. Phantom Girl is the oval passing through the line but it also can be seen as a stylized "P", Chameleon has three shapes to connote shape changing, Colossal Boy has the nested shrinking quadrilaterals, etc.

Oh and hey Barry, if you can't wait to discuss #1 with us, you could just leak us the goods early No? Well it was worth a try

Barry's committed for at least 3 years?!

I think I'm in Legion heaven, sigh!
(Yes, fan gushing, but I don't talk this way often!)

Shady/Candlelight

I would think those two are an absolute must! We did go without them for the entire reboot era, right? Same with the LSV.

Grimbor: LSH Secret Files #1
Charma: Legionnaires #66

Ok, but remember that they haven't fought the LSV in at least 13-15 years.

Actually, the "no Fatal Five" is a selling point for me. I was never that impressed with the reboot version; they just didn't seem to live up to the originals. And that fact that the Legion fought them at least three times (but I'm thinking that number is higher) in 10 years didn't help matters.

Ok, ok, but...did they do anything interesting? And wasn't this "Charma" actually someone else?

With the exception of their first story, every reboot story involving the Fatal Five was awful IMO - especially that hideous one that had Timber Wolf single-handedly take them all on and WIN!?! No wonder Waid doesn't want to use them! What threat or menace could they possibly pose now?

The Grimbor and Charma stories were big disappointments too. In fact - I'm having a hard time thinking of a single pre-boot villain that came off better in the reboot. Can anyone?

Mano. Up until the DnA F5 story you mentioned as being bad for other reasons. He should never, EVER have been anywhere near the Five after that...

Actually, I always thought the inclusion of Mano in the Fatal Five was incredibly forced in the reboot to begin with.

I'm not talking about the reboot Fatal Five. This is a whole new Legion that is hopefully using the best elements of the original series (the one that worked).

Really, I don't care about the name. Individually, the Five were pretty interesting and nasty characters. The reboot version of Empress with knives was lame, lame, lame. Vi as the Empress wasn't much better.

But I'm okay with none of the original villains being used in the first three years.

Charma and Grimbor were okay for that one (disturbing) story in the 70s, but I don't think I want to see that story told again. In fact, I don't want to see new versions of any of the old stories, but I don't want to see great characters like the Fatal Five and Mordru discarded.

Universo and Starfinger? Discard as much as you like.

I believe Grimbor was in #13 and 14 of Legionaires maybe LSH issues at that same time too...the Beerbum saga (mispelled on purpose).

I'm all for brand new villains. Hope we don't see any old ones at all. It's a good balance with the Adv lineup which is too reminiscient. (did i spell that right???)

As for the Fatal Five in the postboot? I wasn't a big fan of the postboot early on but did get the FF appearances. I gotta agree for the most part but I liked them in the last series. I think they needed to be explored a bit more IMO. They were cool looking but seemed a bit flat overall.

Jorge

I agree.

I enjoyed the FF in the middle boot, though, with Cera as the Empress and McCauley trying desperately,to control them.
I liked the Chris Sprouse art, very much.
sigh

I hope the new team can come up with villians as memorable as the original Legion had. Some were silly but many were classic, like Batman's and Spidey's were.

The L.E.G.I.O.N. had a few great villiansin the beginning, mostly Vril , but ended with the 'terrible green baby from hell'! Ugh.

Barry was gone by then, of course, so I'm looking forward to what's going to happen soon.

Shady/Candlelight

Here's a design sketch we did not get to see before anyone else. Looks like the artwork for the billboards we see in the preview section of the Titans/Legion Special.



Its from a new interview with Barry over at The Pulse .

Ugh! When I saw that sketch show up in the TT/Legion special, I was glad Bouncing Boy wasn't part of the cast. Barry does some great work, but his BB just doesn't have that look. It's like comparing apples to pears.

Well, to be fair to Barry that fat guy isn't supposed to be Bouncing Boy -- people just like to speculate and/or wish.

I'll grant ya that. And the artwork was used in a billboard, so it was suppose to show the less attractive side to being overweight. I meant no disrespect to Barry's work, it's well done.

Just a character tic of mine...

Hey, howzabout them Vikings....