Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Visionaries of Tomorrow Faraway Lad and the boy with UltraPowers meet ..... Barry Kitson !!

How great is it that Barry has gotten so involved in this on-line community! He really rocks! I hope this heralds a return to the fine Legion tradition of true dialogue and collaboration between the fans and the creative team. Barry, can you suggest to Mr. Waid and Mr. Wacker that this new Legion really needs leadership elections by the fans?

Thanks also to Matt and Darden for their enthusiastic comments and tantalizing hints. It only hit me today that the new Legion will be a birthday present, almost. Normally, having a birthday in the week between Christmas and New Year's is like being born during the world's hangover from a really great party the night before. Now, Waid and Kitson and DC come along to make that week truly special.

OK, now things have calmed down a bit and i'm back at home I can go through the posts and lets see if I can add anything to the already excellent report back by Matt.

They certainly will Matt.

Let me add that Saturn Girls cape looks so much better than in the preview splash page. There is a fluidity to the whole ensemble that is just so graceful. The fact that one of the designs showed her with the Saturn Image on the Back of the cape, just like Supes S, makes perfect sense given these Legionnaires inspiration.

I really like Triplicates Girls cape and collar look too. Believe me it works well when seen close up.

i also think looking at things that the colourist may have got it wrong. As i am sure i can remember lines on Sun boys pants that would indicate they were not supposed to be one solid colour. Maybe Barry could confirm or deny?

again we were only working from some of the roughs and design pages that Barry was kind enough to share with us. So maybe not everything will make it into the finshed comic. These SP's are much more impersonal, regimented and use heavy personal armour, almost tank like in appearance.

One thing I noticed from a page from the preview was that Lyles Dad had his SP number tattooed on the back of his neck in one panel.

Well not to rain on your parade Grey but Barry did say that the idea of Dawny appearing was somewhat knocked back by the naming convention. BUT he didnt say she wouldnt or couldnt turn up later, once things had settled and they could (perhaps) relax the naming convention



PS did I tell you that I like to tease

i think this could really be true from what I recall being said. and by the way I aint a journalist nor do i have perfect recall, so with that disclaimer....

I think we may be seeing a group with internal dynamics, a group with friendships and sometimes strained relationships. As this was said I was thinking of experience in school classes of 20 to 30 where you never did get on to the same extent with “everyone” and there were some you liked better than others.

so it looks like we are getting some character differentiation in this version.

I got a pencils version of Saturn Girl and Chameleon and that one of Star Boy and Shadow Lass from the second cover, on a plain background. I would post them but my scanners on the futz at the moment. Needless to say I love both but in black and white Tasmia is even more stunning.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by the boy with UltraPowers:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Faraway Lad:
<strong> I got to see something no one else did. But I am sworn to secrecy

All I will say is

WOW!!!!!!!

You lot are going to be really animated come December

Matthew isn't the only one who needs to clean out his PM box Faraway.

Finally before I head off to Bedfordshire, two comments overheard at the Con which made me smile.

Rich Johnson, he of the "lying in the gutters" colume, announced to the assembled room at a panel he was chairing that he was so impressed with the New Legion that he had put it on his pull list for Decmber and he had never read the Legion before.

Dan Didio when asked what was coming in the next year that really excited him said JLA and the Legion. He then went on for a good five minutes expounding the vison and work of Waid and Kitson and saying how good this project was. Now in all the con's I have been to I have never had the panel speakers praise the legion like this. in fact we hardly ever get a mention. Now they are talking up the Legion to be the next Titans.

So, It seems that the industry is excited about this Legion, and that they are expecting great things of it. I'm also pleased that DC also seem to be firmly behind this series and wonder if that means we may see some real push behind this re launch.

OOOPs :rolleyes:

Let me attend to that fearless leader dude

Done and done

Now off to beddy bys I think. See you guys tomorrow.

good night Darden !!!

and thanks for filling in the places, that i'd missed !!!

i hope you guy's can see how excited we both were, after talking to Barry and seeing his pages and character designs !!!

i totally believe that this new Legion of Super Heroes is going to be amazing

Matthew.

hey there !!!

the character designs for LYLE [ that i saw ] didn't feature him with a headband [ or so i remember ?? ]

but the jacket with the pockets, did feature his INVISIBLE KID logo on the back !!!

the same stylised <font size="50">i</font s> that was on his post-boot costume .....

Matthew.

[Faraway Lad]
{ Well not to rain on your parade Grey but Barry did say that the idea of Dawny appearing was somewhat knocked back by the naming convention. [...] }

Although I'll take what clues I can get, and am glad for them, I have to say that this is entirely back-asswards. Letting conformity to a naming convention decide what characters are (re)introduced? That's letting a fringe element (pun about Dawnstar intended) determine the core of the story.

If Waid is this fixated on such a trivial element in deciding his cast, and has impressed it enough upon his collaborator as to make him say this to you ... I'm suddenly more fearful about the success of this rereboot. What other nonessentials will take center stage in their attention?

I don't mean to sound harsh, but names have not been what drives the Legion mythos.

Well, Waid said in one of the recent interviews that not every character will have a lad/lass/boy/girl name or must have a lad/lass/boy/girl name, so I don't see how Dawny could be "knocked back" by a non-existant naming convention. Plus in Shrinking Violet's case, her name was simply changed to include lass/girl, so the same could easily be done for Dawny. Perhaps Darden's just teasing?

I can not wait to meet Barry..he sounds like a great guy.

Matthew - how much was the art you purchased?
I would love to get some of Barrys art as well.

Hi Guys - I have to thank Darden and Matthew for making me sound a lot nicer than I actually am

<Perhaps Darden's just teasing?>
I think perhaps I should take responsibility for that bit of teasing....searching for a guilty Graemlin....a smaile will have to do...


The names thing is part of 'where the Legionnaires are at' (please excuse the horrible phraseology) at this stage in their development as a group. They are choosing the boy/girl/lass names as tribute to the conventions of super-heroes of the 21st century that have inspired them. Some of course, like Brainiac are determined to opt out. If Dawnstar had been right for the group at the #1 stage we would have found a way to include her - her omission doesn't mean she will or won't appear later....

She was in the 'teaser piece' because we hadn't finalized the starting line-up then...and well, I wanted to draw her.

For anybody interested in the notorious 'grinning legionnaires page' and how it differed to the final version, I'm starting a thread called 'From sketch to inks' which will have the image in it and the final black white inked version of the page from previews (thanks to Nightcrawler's hosting again). hope you enjoy comparing them to each other and with Matthew's sketch page.

Barry, thank you for once again being candid. I hope it came across that what I don't see as being promising about the "naming convention" is rooted, not in indignation about what I think I see, but in wanting the best for what I do see.

{ They are choosing the boy/girl/lass names as tribute to the conventions of super-heroes of the 21st century that have inspired them. [...]}

The irony here, o'course, being that this is about a half-century off, as these conventions were far more a product of the 1950s. They're a tribute to Waid's nostalgia. Nothing inherently bad about that, but some such nostalgia has burned us before.

{ If Dawnstar had been right for the group at the #1 stage we would have found a way to include her - her omission doesn't mean she will or won't appear later. ... }

That at least says you're seriously considering her, in some sense, which is what I'd expected and hoped for any creative team that was using past characters as you are. If she does appear, it'll be a welcome bonus.

{ She was in the 'teaser piece' because we hadn't finalized the starting line-up then ... and well, I wanted to draw her. }

Was this figure -- using Matthew's description -- meant to be Dawnstar, then? If it was, I do have to wonder why you omitted any trace of her wings. (That I can see. But I look for those.)

<perhaps Dardens Just teasing>

YUP

Sorry guys but maybe its all down to my strange sense of humour. I did say, or at thought I had, that the name situation would not, in and of itself, stop Dawny appearing later if the story merited it.

Anyway I wanted to stir up a bit of discussion and thought that comment might do it.

Grey, dont worry over much. I think, from your previous posts, you are going to like the artwork on this new legion. I also think, from what I have seen that, the first issue is going to be a pleaser for us all.

If I have understood all that was said (and again Barry please correct me if my memory is at fault here) this is going to be a great jumping on point whether you know and love the Legion or have never read it before.

Posting at the same time Grey.

When we saw the black and whites to that image Barry pointed to part of the drawing and it was possible to just very very faintly see down between her right hand and leg (the hand with the L ring) the outlines of what might have been feathers. I think looking at the final version the colours and printing process have covered these remains over.

Of course Barry could just be teasing again and I fell for it

You were spot on, Darden!

Hi Greybird - Bear in mind that over ten centuries a lot of history gets 'blurred' and our Legion's interpretation of the 20th/21st centuries may not quite be exactly accurate

The coloring was used to obscure the hint of wings as between my drawing the piece and it going to print the decision not to include Dawnstar in #1 had been taken.

Hope that clears things up!

I don't believe Matt or Darden about Saturn Girl's or Triplicate Girl's capes.

But everything else sounds very cool. Man Dawnstar would've rocked! Mostly cause just having early members scares me a bit. doh!

I agree with those that having a powerful character like Element Lad also be the last of his powerful race was very cool. ohwell.

I always thought Sunboy's chest emblem rocked! Along with Garth's animated lightning!

And on a wierd positive note? The preview made the SPs look really cool. I've always been a big fan of the SPs! Don't know why...maybe cause Levitz/Giffen handled them so well...with some of them being supportive characters...and sometimes used for comedy. I may be rooting for the SPs at times in this series. They would make cool adversaries!

Jorge

[][/QUOTE]hey there !!!

the character designs for LYLE [ that i saw ] didn't feature him with a headband [ or so i remember ?? ]

but the jacket with the pockets, did feature his INVISIBLE KID logo on the back !!!

the same stylised <font size="50">i</font s> that was on his post-boot costume .....

Matthew. [/QB][/QUOTE]


Thanks Matthew! I appreciate it :-)