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Yeah, and what the heck was the real story behind Triplicate Girl's origin anyway???

I had to double-check, but it looks like the Wildfire that's on the cover for 34 is based on the Coipel design, but the one we see at the end of 33 is based on the classic Cockrum....

Either one works for me. I loved Coipel design, but who can argue with Cockrum?

finally got this issue...hmmm.
although i liked Calero's art, it was not as strong as last ish. perhaps not enough establishing shots, or a lacking a variety of medium, close-ups, etc. the action scenes with Mekt and Sun Boy were a bit dull. a bit static. Calero with his shadowy moodiness would be a great match with Nightwing, or Batman.

when Tenzil slaps the kid, if it weren't for the sound effect i wouldn't have known he actually slapped him. When Tenzil comes out of the silo, i couldn't tell he was bloated and fat. to me it just looked like his jacket was flared out.
the room where Brainy is camped out is nicely designed but that incline to the door is not quite believable.
I enjoyed the naughty homocidal twins again (this time they were colored as twins).
i hated that Star Boy called Tenzil by "Mr. Kem". how old is Tenz supposed to be anyway? or is Star Boy just a darkie minding his place?
This issue suffered from Waid-esque lack of answers. Who was behind the Validus cult mind-control and lightning powers, and Why? i'm assuming that Brainiac is manipulating everything including the other two mission's threats. i hope we find out why.

Wildfire better not be one of the Heroes of Lallor. i hate messing with origins for no reason.

I can only hope that Brainy was being sarcastic when he said that he couldn't imagine why anyone would object to Terror Firma joining. Bedard and Calero...please address these lying psychos!
at least have saturn girl give them a brain scan to see if they are telling the truth. it's so lame. we still really have no idea how many of them are IN Sun Boy's group let alone who they are, except for Fire Chick. yet we are still supposed to give a crap if they are staying with the Legion. if they don't have flight rings are they any different than all those groupies camping outside the HQ (or is that destroyed again?) who are "invited in" and are "legionnaires" just like the main flight-ringed group?

i appreciate the cleaning up that Bedard and Calero are doing along with delivering an interesting story and showcasing some neglected legionnaires.

One of the main things that bugged me about the art is that Star Boy's face was so often left in solid black shadow. He's not Nightcrawler after all. Give the guy a face.

And I must be just as slow as Carggy, because this plot made no sense to me. I am relieved that Mekt and the Wanderers are out of the way, so we can focus on the real Legion. I hope that Terror Firma are next on the chopping block, despite Sun Boy and Brainy's conversation about them joining up.

"Wildfire better not be one of the Heroes of Lallor. i hate messing with origins for no reason."

It wouldn't suprise me if Wildfire is another one of Brainy's agents like Timberwolf and Vi.

There are mutiple Legions now...they all can't be the same...what would be the point of that?


The main thing I am interested in is...how powerful will this Wildfire be...

Will he have the typical Wildire powers?

Or will he have the Erg1 powers...

At least if Wildfire (or "ERG-1") turns out to be a Brainy-agent, it'd explain why he wasn't at all worried about the team at the beginning of the issue -- otherwise, I'd be a tad insulted that Brainy still gave the Lallor team a better than 75% chance of success.

I'm guessing T Wolf is referring to Wildfire when he says "You didn't tell us they had an x-bomb." or something like that.

This issue was ok, the "Mekt is behind it all thing" fell flat and I'm getting tired of the Legion having to manipulate in order to get things done. I really wanted to see more with the Cult of Validus or something.

I felt the finger chomp was awesome, in a way it was self-defense because Mekt had already threatened to fry Tenzil and Tenzil (thanks to those way cool glasses) knew Mekt was serious. I liked how Tenzil didn't back down to Mekt. Also, Mekt zapping his dad shows how evil the little jerk is, which is good, because he should be psycho, not grey area hero.

But again, the framing of Mekt (or explanation for the genocide) and the explanations in this issue just didn't work for me. For one, their "evidence" came out of nowhere, we as a reader never saw them find this stuff, they just pull it out of thin air.

However, I'm happy because in two issues we've told a story and had a resolution (even if it's somewhat weak), which is a first for this book.

As for Terror Firma, I'm thinking that that is something the new Legion creative team wants to touch on, and that's why they just haven't been jettisoned, so the new team can deal with Projectra's feelings towards them. But I do hope that was sarcasm at the end and not the Legion being complete idiots.

Oh, and also liked the lack of Supergirl.

I don't think it was sarcasm; I think what's going on is that Waid decided to simplify matters and assign all the evil stuff Terror Firma did to Elysion, whether that made sense or not, and Bedard is just building on that. We may actually have already heard all we're going to hear about that.

The new writer, though... whoever it is is no doubt going to bring his own ideas to the table. Let's say just for the sake of argument that it's Jim Shooter. Is Shooter really going to want to deal with Terror Firma at all? Is he going to want to write the Legionnaires in any way other than how he's always written them? I wonder.

Well, no one from Terra Firma is in the promo images, and those seem to have been directed by the new writer. So, there may not be much to worry about.

As an aside, I find Terra firma much less culpable than the legion itself. Mr. Waid did actually reveal that the group was under Lemnos' influence during their time together. I don't doubt that someone with the power to make everyone on Colu forget their higher brain functions could also make his thugs forget that what they're doing is wrong. The legion, on the other hand, let one of their own destroy a planet. Who was manipulating them? Did someone "plant an idea in their head?" Is that passive influence more of an excuse than what Lemnos could do? If anything, this legion might object to Terra Firma membership because they have not been shown to be so consciously callous.

Projectra isn't alone. I doubt Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad and Timber Wolf would vote the ex-Terror Firmas in after seeing them stand by and watch as an innocent kid was killed on Rimworld 19. Lemnos influence, or not.

Brainy had no problem getting the much more formidable Wanderers to leave town. The ex-Terror Firmas are a piece of cake, and Sun Boy need never know the truth.

I'd do the same in a hummingbird's heartbeat given the stakes. The U.P. doesn't give a damn, anyway, now that Brainy handed them a scapegoat (Mekt). The Legion is a product of its morally relativistic society, for better or worse -- not black & white heroes who were born and bred in a vacuum or had older super-heroes to teach them the rules. Their de-idealization and moral imperfection is part of modern super-hero storytelling, which I mostly accept. It makes for interesting debates, at least.

Lest we forget, the original Legion began killing villains 1962ish, and the 'toon Legion is guilty of slaughtering the (sentient, though not sapient) furries that turned into monsters in the Subs episode. Tenzil actually ate one of them alive. If he did that in the regular comic book, there'd be a furor here over the fate of the poor critters!

so...Brainy found evidence that Mekt had the idea of destroying the Dominator homeworld, and had Jeyra project that idea into Cos' head...
i'm confused. the Dominator homeworld wasn't destroyed. that's just what it looked like. Cos really just transported it to the Phantom Zone right?
so... is Brainy lying about the evidence to convince Tenzil to drop the charges of Cos? or did all of that happen but Cos somehow in his wisdom took that thought and found another solution...?
someone help me here.

It's hard to say. I'm comfortable saying that Brainy is feeding a story to Tenzil to get Cos off the hook; that stuff about Jeyra and Mekt being behind the destruction of the Dominion homeworld is all just wind from a monkey's backside. After all, we know what happened to the Dominion homeworld and it has more to do with a conspiracy of Dream Girl, Dream Boy, Cos, Brainy, Phantom Girl and, I believe, Mon-El than it does with anything the Wanderers were up to.

But that still doesn't explain what was going on on Winath. Brainwashing Lightning Lad's parents is pretty ruthless even for Brainy, but what would be the Wanderers' motive for doing it? I do think Brainy, or at least Dream Girl, had some idea what was going on on Winath, or they never would have sent a Legion team there. After all, Cos was never going to be there.

I'm wondering if maybe Brainy's not all Brainy. We know that he's harboring some remnant of Dream Girl as an accidental result of his failed resurrection. What if some, or maybe a lot, of Lemnos is in there, too. That could be used to explain Brainy's actions if it's shown he is responsible for framing Mekt on Winath. Remember, both bodies disappeared.

That there can be debate on the acceptability of genocide is beyond me. And as far as Legion tradition, I prefer LSH #300, where it was an alternate, undesirable universe if the Legionnaires would take the offensive in an interstellar war and kill under the Legion banner. Some writers get it right, some writers get it wrong. In any case, it doesn't sound like we are gong to convince one another. I expect you'll have no problems with the Legion maintaining close ties to Terra Firma. Surely a writer can come up with stakes for them that are similar to a defeated planet and speculation about the planet's future. It's all the same to me.

Now there's a good idea. I could totally see that happening.

That is an interesting idea except that I don't think that Lemno's body actually disappeared. I think that Waid just never made it clear what happened to Lemnos' body nor did he care to explain why the UP never made a big stink about Lemnos (not) being brought to justice.

Read this issue while I was on vacation (ahhh, vacation...). I too am left confused and a little underwhelmed by where all this is going. Why would the Wanderer's hoodoo the Winathians to attack their own leader? Why would Brainy frame the Wanderers for setting up a plot against their own leader and expect anyone to believe it? I DO think I get the idea of framing Mekt and the Wanderers for the "genocide" of the Dominion. Brainy wants to get rid of them AND deter anyone from knowing the truth about the Dominion's location AND clear the Legion of genocide. So, that part makes sense. But the whole affair on Winath seems pointless and inexplicable. Oh, but it sure was fun, though! Great dialogue and great character moments there. It would be nice to have a Legion comic where the overall plot AND the character moments made sense and fired at the same time, though. I am hoping Messrs. Bedard and Calero can clear things up a little before they are done.

I re-read the issue and I stand corrected. Lemnos' body didn't disappear during the experiment, it was still on the ship after Dream Girl's body was gone. Brainy did use his mind as a filter for the info/energy that was being drawn from Lemnos, so some transference could have occurred.

Good question, what did Brainy do with the body?

Just a quick post - taking a sneaky break!

I got the impression that the Wanderers Coluan and that dodgy telepath were behind the badness - maybe they've been plotting for a long time as we know she was an agent of the robot revolution from issue 19 - is she and l'il brainy using Mekt as their fall guy?

Wheels within wheels

There are a few of dangling plot threads here the size of modest cosmic strings:

1) What the nass happened to Lemnos?

2) What was Jeyra doing with the robot revolution and murdering people if she was a Wanderer?

3) What was the sprocking point of the events on Winath in the last 2 issues?

Arrrrghh!!!

I can answer #2.

Jeyra was a mercenary for the robot rebellion, and was thrown in the clink by Chameleon in... #19? Mekt recruited her out of jail.