Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LEGION #32-- SPOILERS

So I thought the issue was pretty good overall, though fairly predictable.

Random reactions:

Dr. Gym'll is blue.

The Credo members just come off as a nameless horde. The traitorous Kwai member is a good excuse for allowing them to use the threshhold, however.

Yay! Floating Foxlike Creature Boy speaks!

Jeepers! Is not just obvious that the Credo have become exactly what they oppose? Now Singularity's talking about "deleting" people! Though his motivation was pretty much what I'd been expecting all along (finding his homeworld that he was supposed to be protecting destroyed by the Progenitor). But how'd he find out about the Legion-Progenitor connection? Maybe the word spread from the Progenitor sending the Progeny to look for the Legion back during Legion Lost?

Why do they have to "set translators"? I thought the telepathic earplugs would translate automatically, no matter what the language?

Uh... don't the Credo have plenty of super-powered members of their own? Why is Kid Quantum's speech supposed to scare them?

Yay! Love the 'big button' costume!

Violet written like Vi should be, it seems. Though can she not just hang around normal-sized? At least she's not giant, but what's up with her just sitting on Cos's shoulder?

Okay... so the all-powerful evil Progenitor surrenders himself to you. Then suddenly you decided not to honor the terms of the agreement and to delete him and his friends "tomorrow". Uh, folks, this is the freakin' Progenitor! The guy y'all were running in terror from at the beginning of the issue! Why isn't Singularity afraid of Jarth?

I started out matching him to issue #19, and I think his base (shadow) color is the same. But now that I compare the two, he clearly is much bluer. My bad.

So what would bother you more: if I left him blue or if he suddenly changed back in his next appearance?

Maybe his blueness can be explained as Garth waking him up in the middle of the night. I don't think there has been anything established about Gym'll's race. Maybe when they sleep they turn blue as they cool down.

Except Gym;ll never cools down.

Whatever color he was when he was delivering the Ranzz twins is okay by me.

I pretty much agree with EDE on this issue.

Some nice splashes but mainly the art was wasted. (Except for Monel).

I've got a sinking feeling this is going to be an opportunity lost, but we'll see if DnA go out with a bang or have decided to flip the finger on their way out with another of their annoying cubs, clayface Kinetixes... Whoever is doing the writing has a compulsice disorder, like the types that need to step back and forth through the door three times before proceeding. Please don't have Thong Girl warn Clone boy about behavior again, it's getting old. "Think Fast."
sigh.

just read the issue...i'm a little excited to see the credo again what with their cool logo and third reich imagery.
...and also excited to hopefully have some resolution to the "progenitor" storyline. alot about the progenitor's story soumded fishy, especially the sheer amount of time that went by that didn't seem to affect wildfire. and what ever happened to the daxamite that went into the rift before wildfire and the legion lost? i've always hoped that it would be revealed that Jan was possessed by a corrupting spirit (hence his alien faceted green eyes). now it seems singularity has grown some glowing green eyes as well as a habit of deleting life forms. i hope that next issue will prove me right and return Live Wire to his rightful body if not Element Lad as well. alot to hope for in just one final DnA issue, especially after drawn out 5 part battles. we'll see.

What's up with her sitting on Cos' shoulder?
"Cos? A word?", she says. Sounds like little Vi has a plan. A job for the Subterfuge Squad?

How'd he [Singularity] find out about the Legion-Progenitor connection?
I think the Credo have suspected a connection since the first peace mission (issue #5?) when the Legion put the Progeny under their protection. Now they have proof.

Why isn't Singularity afraid of Jarth?
IMHO, it would have been out of character for Singularity to show fear of the *real* Progenitor, much less Jarth. I dare say he's much less terrifying to the others without his "Progeny spawn".

Don't the Credo have plenty of super-powered members of their own?
We've seen three with powers in the past, iirc: Singularity, the polar bear (Brek), and the octopus guy. The others are maybe just wierd-looking aliens without special powers. We didn't see any wielded in the fight scene. [Edit: oh yeah, there *is* a flame-head guy in this issue with fire/energy powers.]

I *did* find it odd, however, that M'onel (and by extension the Kwai mission team) was unaware of Garth's resurrection. How long have they been out of touch?

Some fine moments in this issue: the murder of the Kwai navigator; Jazmin's speech to the Credo; M'onel and Superboy (old friends reunited); the Credo command ship crushing an entire city; and Ultra Boy's quip to Singularity.

Putting all issues of physical appearance aside, we also get a spot-on characterization of Live Wire as he ought to be -- arguing with his superior, losing his temper and finally disobeying direct orders to take matters into his own hands. His comment to Singularity, "Fate has ordained I now take his [the Progenitor's] form", was a bit chilling.

Ronda, you did a great job coloring this issue, Gym'll nothwithstanding (change him back, please). I disagree that the art was "wasted". The Credo were well rendered (they didn't look silly) and Singularity was appropriately imposing.

Predictable? Maybe, but well done. I look forward to the rest of the story.

All in all it wasn't a bad issue. My only gripes are that once again we see almost every Legionnaire and very few speak. I love Batista's art, but why feature every Legionnaire if all they are going to do is S & M (Stand & Model)? My other gripe is the return of Mone'l's old costume. It is very outdated and does not compare with his starfield outift. I'm hoping that this is a temporary look as his costume was destroyed. The "big button" look has got to go.

In Foundations alone, FIVE WEEKS happened. Not to mention the clean up of the stargates and last issue. If the away team was out of touch for so long, shouldn't the Legion have gone looking for them and not the other way around. And this issue's entire story should have filled ten pages tops. This lack of substance is maddening.

Oh, and mechana, I vote for showing Gym'll as purple next appearance.

It was a decent issue. Definitely, one of the better of the past year. That's not saying much, though.

Anyhow, some things I liked -

1. The art. Pencils, coloring, and inking all blended well for a very clear view of what was going on. I'm really going to miss Batista. I have to say that I wasn't too fond of his style at first, but it has really grown on me. If he had worked on some meaningful stories, he may have gone down as one of the all-time Legion best. As it is, though, his artwork will probably always be associated with the sub-par storytelling.


2. The Academy students cameo. They didn't play an integral part of the story. But they appeared just enough to tease us, and let us wonder what their all about. Pretty much just like in the preeboot.

3. Superboy. I get a kick out of the way he's being used here. I hope he sticks around for awhile. Does Kon-El still not age? If that's the case, he could be here indefinitely, just as long as a little mindwipe clears his memories before he goes back to the present. Keep him around, I say, unless he starts hogging the space like his last namesake did.

4. Kid Quantum's speech. Great writing here. The line about the variety of powers the Legion had stood out to me.


Things I didn't like -

1. Kid Quantum's Speech. It was a great speech, but was then followed up with ... "Fine then. Legion...Let's go." What??? Four of your comrades are prisoners and you turn around and run? It's not as though she even had a viable plan when they got back to Legion World. I have a real problem with the way they just left the other Legionnaires. Which leads me to my next point...

2. Legionnaires in prison. Sorry, but if the Credo just go around killing millions of people, why would they hold Brande and the Legionnaires as prisoners? What would Singularity possibly have to gain from that strategy? Bad writing. For that matter, why would the Legion first hear about this from M'Onel? Wouldn't some of the Kwai "taxi drivers" let the Legion know what's going on in their own galaxy?

3. The Cover. Bleh. Blandest cover on the stands that week. They should've let Batista draw it.


4. Jarth. It doesn't look like DnA are going to resolve this issue, but instead are leaving him on the list of disfigured characters for somebody else to fix (Kinetix, Cub, Sensor, Ferro).

A decent issue. If only DnA's recent stories were more compact like this one, they may have been able to finish some of their ideas.

Another though just hit me - what if, somehow, Singularity was actually the real Progenitor? The last page shows him talking about deleting the Legionnaires. Now I know that it's probably just an attempt at irony - Credo doing exactly what their sworn enemy was doing.

But what if somehow, DnA pull one last switch on us in order to tie up their biggest story of their run. If Singularity was the real Progenitor all along, it may be a way to redeem Element Lad and bring him back! OK, so my theory doesn't really make sense, but one can hope, right?

I don't have #19 handy to compare, but I'd rather him change back to more purplish. Overall, though, the colors (and art generally) are excellent.

My own crazy theory is that, unbeknownst to him, Singularity is the only begotten son of the Progenitor. Think about it: blonde hair, green energy signature, superhuman powers. If true, his mom must've been a REALLY big-boned girl.

Oh my gosh! Progenitor is the love child of Element Lad and Monstress!!!!!

Seriously, though, the Element Lad/Singularity parallels are interesting, and I'll be shocked if DnA don't play upon them in the final issue. Compare the destruction of Trom's civilization by the White Triangle to the destruction of Lorca Prime (or whatever Singularity's world was called) by the Progeny. Compare what Element Lad apparently became to what Singularity has become.

Dr. Gym'll's not just blue--he's nice. And polite. And he makes no mention of payment.

Now that's weird.

Singularity's arm in the last panel...could that pass for the color of Tromium?

I've had this feeling ever since Lost #6 that Singularity was the TRUE Progenitor...either that or a descendent of some sort.

He was also doing that back turned thing that Jan did in Lost #10-12.

EDE, I agree with you about the parallels with the White Triangle destroying Trom with the Progeny destroying Lorca Prime. There IS SOMETHING MEGA BIG there!

He also seems to have grown a bit bigger but then when he originally fought the Legion in Lost #7 & 8 I suppose he wasn't standing still enough to determine his actual size.

Super Lad Kid:"Another though just hit me - what if, somehow, Singularity was actually the real Progenitor? The last page shows him talking about deleting the Legionnaires. Now I know that it's probably just an attempt at irony - Credo doing exactly what their sworn enemy was doing.

But what if somehow, DnA pull one last switch on us in order to tie up their biggest story of their run. If Singularity was the real Progenitor all along, it may be a way to redeem Element Lad and bring him back! OK, so my theory doesn't really make sense, but one can hope, right?"

SLK...see my above theory. Everyone...re-read the scene in Lost #6 with Imra's dream. A figure is sitting on the Rosette throne. If you look real closely you can make out bulky shoulder pads and thick boots and glowing crystalline eyes (green I think)...and at the end of said issue, even in his original costume, Singularity has ALL those qualifications. What's more (call it coincidence if you want), Singularity first showed signs of acting like the 5YL Jan Arrah. "Get off my planet!" etc. etc.

What if (big if) Singularity and the Progenitor and "Jarth" are all aspects of the same entity?

Another question...how exactly did Singularity figure out that the Progenitor/Jan is connected to the Legion? Like I said above, there is something mega big going on here! Too bad these 2 issues weren't the bi-weekly ones!

4. Jarth. It doesn't look like DnA are going to resolve this issue, but instead are leaving him on the list of disfigured characters for somebody else to fix (Kinetix, Cub, Sensor, Ferro).

Hey while I can't stand Jarth and Cub...I like the changes in the others. Kinetix was just a red headed cheerleader until the terraformer thing. I like the her current version. It's interesting. I also like Ferro being stuck in iron form. Adds more to the character...if we ever see things slow down enough for them to talk/hang out. And finally I like Sensor with breasts and hair! woohoo! Get rid of the tail and add some legs! I like the purple hair and strange skin markings as well. She doesn't have to just like before but atleast some legs.

Jorge

Does anybody NOT think Vi is unbeknownst to Garth, somewhere secreted on his person?

[Broken Record] Okay, we're meant to believe Lar has NO SPARE COSTUMES?! [/Broken Record]

I thought the issue blended the DnA's bad and good stuff into something pretty standard... so far. As noted by previous posters, there could be a big pay-off next issue, so I'll wait to pass judgement on that.

The comment I would like to make about this issue is this... I'm thoroughly disappointed by the minglings of the characters. They just seem so short or so quippish.

"Nice to have you back as leader Jaz"... she was gone? They're laying it on a little thick on Kon too. Most people on this forum hate Jarth, but I got to say that the only "real" emotions coming from this issue (other than the Credo) was Jarth. Everyone else just seems kinda shallow at the moment. Shallow, but very, very pretty... and it's been this way since Dream Crime started.

Hated the cover. Loved the interior art (why oh why is Battista leaving?) Liked the story okay, though it held no surprises and still the focus seems to be on Kid Q, Rokk, Imra, Brainy, and Shikari.

Nitpicks:

I agree that Dr. Gym'll was too nice (and too blue). He's awakened in the middle of the night just to listen to Jarth whine about how he's not being accepted and he says "No problem. Really."? or something like that. Totally out of character for the perpetually grumpy Dr. Gym'll

I also figure that Violet is hidden on Jarth's costume, but to what end? someone who shrinks and grows is going to be the secret weapon of someone with the power of the Progenitor?

I like M'Onel's newish costume. It's not exactly like his original one, but it's more basic and utilitarian than that gawdy starry thing he's been wearing, which I never liked.

So, Jarth's hair is now combed straight back, off his forehead. Is crystal hair combable? I wouldn't think so, but oh well.

Is XS ever going to speak or use her power again?

I'm finding it difficult not to read this Superboy as the original since he's wearing the original costume. I wish they'd make him change his clothes. Especially since his wearing that costume has caused mass riots and destruction and a tongue lashing from Cosmic Boy, it makes NO sense that he's still wearing it.

One something-of-a-calm-down later:

They are just going to ignore all the baggage of the Valor suit?!? Half the frelling Legionnaires don't know M'Onel = Valor. If he goes out in that suit in the UP, there should be riots to make the ones that Superboy's stupid costume caused look like a game of snooker. [And should he have a transuit on? I forget if he needs to breathe]. If he really didn't have any spare costumes, shouldn't he have been given a spare cadet suit or something?

On the rest, eh, not much there really, and this stupid, pointless change on top of the Superboy thing is really spoiling anything else I could get out of it for me. [mechana, it'd be better, IMO, if you reset Dr Gym'll's skin colour rather than let the mistake perpetuate. And while I'm at it, could you at least darken the Valor suit or something. Please ]

Not the way Ronda colours it, unless we get an in-continuity explaination for the two-colour Tromium.

Oh, yeah. Why is Timber Wolf training the cadets? Is he teaching them how to rip the bad guys to shreds like his gang did it on Rimbor? It seems to me that he should be IN training WITH the cadets, considering he only joined the Legion about ten minutes ago.

The other possible Vi scenario is that her wanting to speak to Cos has something to do with bringing Andromeda back. Former rascist Legionnaire = key to teaching the Credo a lesson in tolerance? Unlikely, but just thought I'd throw out the possibility.

After last issue, this one was great. (No, no sarcasm here...) When is DnA's last issue again? DnA have a reputation for lotsa build-up and no payoff. Kinda like taking Viagra while alone with your hands tied behind your back.