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Re: Coming Out
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Originally posted by Quislet, Esq: Originally posted by He Who Wanders: [b]
I've seen atheists on-line who do this, calling God a fairy tale, etc. and I think "Dude, you don't convince someone of your points by insulting them and what they believe." [/b]Thank you. I totally agree. I believe that we all have the free will to decide for ourselves what to believe. If someone wants to have a rational discussion about religion, God, whatever...fine. You want to come out swinging the insult bat...I'm done before we begin. A side note, that has nothing to do with Quis' comment. A friend of mine on FB, a Christian I have known for a long time, made a statement about eating meat and God's disapproval of it. I challenged him on it...I cannot stand people twisting things around to suit their own purposes. We went back and forth, over and over the same ground. I kept coming up with scripture after scripture supporting the eating of Meat (using only God and Jesus as examples)...I mean, if you want to say God supports your claim, you better be able to back it up with scripture that actually is in context. Long story short...he could never produce anything outside a Garden of Eden post (pre sin) and a few out of context scriptures. He ended it by calling it a draw. Which I just left alone, because I had embarrassed him really badly at that point. All that to say, I dislike "Christians" that use random portions of scripture to rationalize their actions.
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LT, i don't have a problem attending a church, long as it don't burst into flames when I walk in.
Damn you, you kids! Get off my lawn or I'm callin' tha cops!
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Rick, we just got a new fire alarm/suppression system. You bringin' the nanner puddin'? ;-)
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Fascinating thread, which I promise I'll read more thoroughly when I have time.
I believe there is a God, but I haven't really given it much thought other than that, nor does it matter to me what my friends believe.
I do have a friend who goes around telling people not to say "Good Luck" because she believes in predestiny.
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If you believe in God, then you believe he gave you the gift of free will, which means, conversely, that you are free to not believe in him.
Way I see it, I believe in God, but I don't believe in organized religions. Your mileage may vary... and that's okay.
Damn you, you kids! Get off my lawn or I'm callin' tha cops!
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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: I do have a friend who goes around telling people not to say "Good Luck" because she believes in predestiny. one of my sayings: humankind was destined to have free will.
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Originally posted by Legion Tracker: Originally posted by Jerry: [b]
I still find it hard to let go of spirituality in terms of belief in a higher purpose, soul, after life of some kind, or point of existence. Especially with the recent loss of my partner. I cling tightly to the concept that our time together had a greater meaning and that we will be together - on some level - at some time again. I just don't know what that's going to look like. I don't know that I'm meant to know right now. I hope to be content to keep questioning and searching....
Jerry, if you've shared before about losing your partner, I missed it. I'm sorry to hear it. You've told us some great stories, and some hard ones, about your life together. Thanks for that. I believe, like you, that there is more good to come. [/b]Thanks for the kind words, Legion Tracker. Yes, David passed away on December 27, 2011. Many here know already. I don't think I made an announcement in a public forum, but referred to his passing in other threads.
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Originally posted by cleome45: [QUOTE]Originally posted by lil'rhino: [qb] My li'l boobie is gay. I'm so proud of you for sharing that with us. I am actually in tears right now. I just want to read his review of Stuck Rubber Baby. I love that book! Me too. To both loving "Stuck Rubber Baby" and to wanting to read a review by Sarcasm Kid. And also to being proud of you, Kid. You've come a long way, Baby.
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Ah, now it all makes sense. Rock on.
Beauty's where you find it. Not just where you bump and grind it.
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Sarky...it's always best to be honest with yourself and others. Be proud of who you are...we are.
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Originally posted by Dev - Em: All that to say, I dislike "Christians" that use random portions of scripture to rationalize their actions. I dislike anyone who uses random portions of anything to rationalize anything. That is, when the things to which they refer are out of context and therefore do not rationalize at all, even if their jurisdiction in the matter were a given. This includes politicians, pundits, doctors, and friends. I guess that was obvious by "anyone" but just wanted to give examples.
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Sorry to hear about your partner Jerry. I believe I saw pics of you two on vacation.
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I agree Shining Son.
I just used Christians as I had a perfect example of the abuse of that idea.
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Originally posted by Dev - Em: Sarky...it's always best to be honest with yourself and others. Be proud of who you are...we are.
Hey, Kids! My "Cranky and Kitschy" collage art is now viewable on DeviantArt! Drop by and tell me that I sent you. *updated often!*
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Originally posted by Jerry: Originally posted by Legion Tracker: [b] Originally posted by Jerry: [b]
I still find it hard to let go of spirituality in terms of belief in a higher purpose, soul, after life of some kind, or point of existence. Especially with the recent loss of my partner. I cling tightly to the concept that our time together had a greater meaning and that we will be together - on some level - at some time again. I just don't know what that's going to look like. I don't know that I'm meant to know right now. I hope to be content to keep questioning and searching....
Jerry, if you've shared before about losing your partner, I missed it. I'm sorry to hear it. You've told us some great stories, and some hard ones, about your life together. Thanks for that. I believe, like you, that there is more good to come. [/b] Thanks for the kind words, Legion Tracker. Yes, David passed away on December 27, 2011. Many here know already. I don't think I made an announcement in a public forum, but referred to his passing in other threads. [/b]Damn it. I'm sorry too, Jerry.
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Beauty's where you find it. Not just where you bump and grind it.
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Jerry, somehow I missed any other reference to this. I am so sorry to hear of his passing.
>hugs<
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Also, I don't know if I'll be reviewing Stuck Rubber Baby. I read it a while ago so I don't intimately remember everything.
Of note though: on Saturday I bought "Gone to Amerikay", and wouldn't you know, that ALSO had a young homosexual man dealing with his sexuality.
I swear the way this stuff pops up is freaking amazing.
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Sometimes it feels like you don't find the literature that moves you, but rather, it finds you. And that is a really great feeling.
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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: [b]No. NOW I've come a long way. ]http://judedeluca.devianta... o-be-said-on-here-300098133[/QB][/QUOTE]
Congrats, Sarcasm Kid. You're a brave guy.
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Cool, congrats on taking this step, SK!
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Quis, this appeared in our new/local GLBT paper a few weeks ago. I thought you might enjoy reading it: "Faith No More" "...I believe in nuance. There are multiple, contradicting, conflating, co-existing, plural truths, and stepping away from the one all knowing Truth has been a really good thing for how I think about the world.
"I do believe in science. And I think science is a product of its society. Thus, it is always changing and always in conflict. I do believe in evolution, but I am really grossed out by Social Darwinism. I do believe that society creates individuals and not the other way around. I worry about how we talk about historical progression as being created by individuals. We are products of our society — constantly in motion and always changing. Hence, I am what I am because of how we all are..." -- Catherine Hollenbeck, 5/6/12
Hey, Kids! My "Cranky and Kitschy" collage art is now viewable on DeviantArt! Drop by and tell me that I sent you. *updated often!*
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Very interesting post. Although I'm not an atheist, I agree with pretty much everything she said.
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