Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Let's talk about LSH #15 (Abundant spoilers)

Got my subscription copy today at noon.

(Which is annoying, because I *still* haven't received #14.)

I won't be able to read it until tonight, but I can say this: the cover is different from what we were expecting.

It's not completely different; there are just word balloons on it. Blok is saying "Isn't this supposed to be issue #568?" and Tyroc is saying, "Anyone else chilly?"

(I may not have Blok's quote exactly right.)

Two things about that:

1. So that's why Barry Kitson wanted to know about the issue numbering!
2. The letterer didn't use the old crumbly-rock font for Blok's voice (on the cover at least); just standard comic-book letters.

More tonight after I've read it.

It got here early too (and no #14 yet!).

It's not what I was expecting.

The spoiler ball is in your court, Matthew.

Please, FC -- I've been good. Spoil me just a little won't you.

I've been really bad, so there's no harm in spoiling me.

A spoiler thread without spoilers is just wrong.

First of all. Yes, Blok, Dawnstar and Tyroc appear in the comic book. As do Sensor Girl, Quislet, Bouncing Boy, Wildfire and the White Witch.

But it's all just legionnaires sitting around a campfire telling superhero stories after they get away from Elysion destroying Legion HQ. It isn't even written by Waid. And then one of the legionnaires, at the end, tells us not to worry about whether something 'actually happened' or not.

Then there's a letter column section that turns out to be just a mechanism for Triplicate Girl to introduce the Legionnaires to new readers. There are some minor bits of new information in here; nothing you can't wait to discover for yourselves. Oh, and there's some news about Bouncing Boy... or is there?

So it probably sounds like I didn't like this issue. Actually I did like it. It was quite well done. But it was basically a fill-in issue.

Thanks, Matthew. I haven't read the issue but I heard through the spoiler mill that the identity of the robed figure is something of a surprise. Is that not really the case?

When I saw the preview and saw that the silver age Legion was dropping in the Crisis presented in JLofA vol 1 21/22, I knew that it'd likely be an offbeat celebration of some of the old crises in the multiverse.

I wonder if that last statement isn't a guideline for how readers should read all the stories coming from the DCU after Inf Crisis. Ie don't worry so much about old continuity, read today's comics and enjoy, they're meant to stand alone more or less. Longtimers will be rewarded with fun bits that echo the past.

Uh... I dunno. He's a vaguely Superboy-lookin' guy named Dav Huntr. Mean anything to anybody? I couldn't figure out if he was supposed to be important or not. I did notice that all the legionnaires introducing themselves to each other had names that vaguely resembled those of Legion writers and artists and stuff of the past. Or some did, anyway.

At least my favourite silver-haired villain who's somebody's brother got a mention, although we don't know if his hair is still silver.

Lots of nice tidbits of information in the Letters pages: Brainy calls Atom Girl "Digby", some relationships past and present, some insight into powers (Invisible Kid has visual, auditory and telepathic invisibility) and a great finale with Bouncing Boy.

I was a bit disappointed that there wasn't more substance to the Dawnstar/Blok/Tyroc "appearance", but wasn't counting on them returning for real. Maybe people who know the past JLA/20th century stories better can glean some deeper meaning to the fireside stories. For me, it was just tales told in the way that stories get garbled over time.

Due to the incredible LACK of chat about this issue, I'm guessing it was a letdown of monumental proportions.... I myself haven't gotten it yet.

I actually really enjoyed this issue.

Even moreso than last issue, and that one was my favorite in a long time.

Ish #15 wasn't what I expected, but it was still fun. Kind of played on the whole 'old comics as heroic inspiration' theme this book has been playing with since day one.

Some will be disappointed that Dawnstar and co. didn't "really" appear, but was anyone truly expecting them to come back?

I also enjoyed the Triplicate Girl back up where she "introduced" us to the legionnaires. Like FC said lots of nice bits of info there.

With last issue and this one, the Legion feels fun and interesting again. And I'm more interested in these characters than I've been in quite a while.

It WAS disappointing in a way - no actual appearance of the hoped-for trio, just the telling of stories featuring them.
But it at least shows they have/do/will(?) exist in the 31st century.
Now if we could just actually see Dawnstar and those two others...

I thought it was fun. With the "letter page" It's a pretty good jumping on point for folks who might pick it up the series with the Supergirl/LSH in two weeks. I noticed they moved up the ship date.


I liked the JLofA 21/22 and COIE tributes though. Can someone tell me about the SSoSV villains story in the lead feature. I'm not familiar with the 70s era in the DCU.

This issue does beg the question as to whether or not the current Legion got their direct inspiration by actually reading old issues of ADVENTURE, SUPERBOY & etc.

How else would the kids in this story know about the Adventure era Legion or about 70's additions like Tyroc and Dawnstar. (True the stories had become mixed up with time, but still.)

Maybe we're not supposed to read so much into it?

With the "S" shaped spit curl on his forehead, I'd say he looked quite a bit like Superboy. As for the name:

Dav(e) Hunt(e)r of T'Spiri = Spirit of Adventure (okay, so there's an extra "H")

Also, there was a Legion inker named Dave Hunt around the time Superboy/LSH became LSH.

P'al Giff'n = Paul Levitz & Keith Giffen. The others I haven't figured out yet.


The campfire stories *were* fun, if a little too frenetic for my taste. The moment that stood out most for me was Wildfire confronting Ambassador Relnic. Lifted right out of Earthwar, iirc.

The letter-page backup was a little jewel. So, Karate Kid and Shady had a romance, and he's taking their breakup a little too well. And Cos has a HUGE secret crush on ???. Light Lass (huh?) attends weekly spiritual services held by Element Lad. Ultra Boy will be executed if he ever steps foot on Rimbor again. That panel showing Jo melting the gun was swiped right from the Adventure era origins. Nice touch.

But they gotta stop making fun of Chuck!!

I was a little disapointed in the first story, but who am I to complain about a comic that has Brin naked.

Definitely a fill-in but... I dunno. I liked it anyway. I must admit, my knowledge of previous Legion incarnation and Golden/Silver Age DCU is... limited at best (even where Flashes are concerned) but I wasn't confused by... anything, really, that happened within the issue. I have to admit that, for a fleeting moment, I was afraid the cloaked man would be Cos/Time Trapper/something like that. Glad it wasn't. The Superboy look-alike was a cute way to go, though.

But, I felt like the real winning moment was the letter column thing. For one thing, I'm new to the Legion (relatively speaking, anyway) and I like condensed origin/relationship explanations. They make me happy.

I also enjoyed the new tidbits. I wanna know:
-- When are we going to see Tinya say more than two things in an issue? (Though, if she's like postboot Tinya... maybe not.)
-- Who does Cos like? (Process of elimination lends itself to either Tinya, Ayla, Tasmia or Salu... unless it's not a Legionnaire he's playing for the other team-- in which case I'd guess Dirk or Brainy based on past butthurtness.)
-- Why would anyone listen to Element Lad? (Especially after his very flaky reboot incarnation. *shudders* The trauma.)
-- Do the Flash-tastic influences mean XS and/or Kid Flash will show up in the 3boot someday?!?! (Oh, if only...)

Favorite parts:
-- Ha-ha, I was right! Something else else was up between Shadow Lass and Karate Kid. Past tense, maybe but... whatever!
-- Invisible Kid finally had an "i" on his shirt!! Yay!! It's like he almost has a uniform finally or something~
-- Brainy not have a scowl on his face. Of course, he wasn't smiling either but... psh, who cares? Non-scowl = improvement.
-- Learning all the other fun little tidbits, like about Jo's past and the Ranzz's and... Chuck.

All right, enough of my ramblings. For now, anyway...

Man, I just couldn't help but smile when I saw WILDFIRE - I think that image was a direct reference to an issue, but I don't recall which one. It was awesome to see him lay out the baddies, but it was odd that he blew himself up as an offensive maneuver - I don't recall seeing that before. Dawny didn't do much other than point at the badguys though...

What's this about Legionnaires saving the Flash during "Crisis"?? I suppose there are continuity errors aplenty, but it also makes me wonder if it's a setup for something.

I think that actually is Superboy - this being one of his previous incursions into this plane of reality before "IC" starts. Good that he serves as inspiration again.

The little tidbits in the back were pretty interesting. Coz's crush? KK and Shady? I somehow don't see it, but it didn't work out so...

"Kiss me, I'm bouyant!" -

I think the continuity errors could be a direct analogue to some of the stuff seen in other DC books. Im thinking of current 3 part Superman story wear Ka-L and Ka-El are revising each other's histories by living out alternate scenes from continuity.

I guess we know who originated that cover motif...

After all of the hype for months, I was (for the first time this LSH incarnation) dissapointed. I expected "more" for some reason. I'm hoping that this was a tease to what we're in store for in the future...but I will not get my hopes up too much. Don't get me wrong, I didn't totally hate the story, it just didn't meet my expectations.

I liked the issue. as someone new to LSH fandom, it was nice to see glimpses or nods to the past incarnations of the series.

and Tromium how you can not laugh at the boy that bounces. I really liked the boing sounds. classic comic relief.

on the other hand, that quislet guy/girl/computer was simply annoying. bouncing boy, sure bring him back, quislet: leave him in issue 15.

the part with Tyroc and company. somebody, please tell me that is not the costume Saturn Girl wore on a regular basis. There is a fine line between sexy and breaking public decency laws and Saturn Girl is very much on the other side. underwear only is fine for the home, not on important missions with your team.

enjoyed part two of the book. with all those revalations I am torn. on the one hand, those items will probably be covered in upcoming story lines. on the other hand, I would buy issues of LOSH classified that focuses on one to two members at a time.

I can't quite swallow that. It would have to be a coincidence of mind-sodomizing proportions that a kid named Garth Ranzz, from Winath, reads a comic book featuring a kid named Garth Ranzz, from Winath, who has lightning powers, and then miraculously acquires lightning powers himself... and then you multiply that by the entire team. Won't work. Not buying.

No, Quislet's great! (Actually he's a microscopic transdimensional energy being, or something, who lives in that little spaceship.) I mean, I understand the many good reasons why you can't just import characters straight from a different continuity. But I always liked Quislet and was glad to see him again.

That was her costume for a long time. I don't get it either, but to me that's still what she's supposed to look like.

Jes kiddin', warmu2. I couldn't STOP laughing, but at the same time felt just the teensiest bit disappointed that they're not even going to try to "heroize" him. I guess I'll have to indulge my Chuck-love with the cartoon.


You see, the real Saturn Girl had been kidnapped about 1970 and replaced for a dozen years or so by Farrah Fawcett. That's the only possible 'splanation!

Missed this one before:

"Colossal Boy comes from a race of giants who have the power to shrink to six feet tall"

If they can ALL shrink, that explains a whole lot, like how they can be native Earthlings. They could've been around since Old Testament days, in the closet, so to speak.

Also, the founders as ID, EGO and SUPEREGO. Give the man a big fat Freudian cigar!