Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Final Crisis # 6 Preview (spoilers)

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Newsarama has posted a 5-page preview of Final Crisis # 6. New of interest to Legion fans:

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• Superman makes it clear that his appearance in Legion of 3 Worlds follows his adventures in Superman Beyond
• Lightning Sage style Brainiac 5 appears and knows his way familiarly around Legion headquarters as it exists at the time, which tells us that at the very least, he and his world survive the end of Legion of 3 Worlds
• Brainiac 5 pretty much hands Superman the Miracle Machine, which means that another deviation from the classic Legion timeline to the Lightning Saga one is that Brainy never went mad, created Omega, and had Matter-Eater Lad eat the Miracle Machine

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...or Brainy, in his spare time between 5th dimensional chess tournaments and romancing blonde haired androids, decided years later to rebuild the Miracle Machine.

Did you read the preview? Unless Brainy is lying, it's pretty clear that this is the Miracle Machine that the Controllers created and gave the Legion. (Though I suppose they might have given the Legion two.)

BTW, Kid Quislet, I find your sig ironic, considering how in-limbo the series now is.

Well, he's only called Matter-Eater Lad, not Matter-Digester Lad. Maybe he um, passed the Miracle Machine bits, and storytelling conventions of the day were to dainty to confront us with such a awkward notion. Crazy Brainy just hot-glued it back together, and they never, ever spoke of it again. Grant Morrison, you owe me a dollar. Oh, and Superman just forgot about it because he's a busy man and doesn't have time to remember every gadget or every friend he stuck in the Phantom Zone.

A machine that will do anything that I want wouldn't be on my list of things it's okay to forget!

It probably wouldn't even be on Supes list, either!
geez

As advanced as the miricle machine is (being that it can do anything) perhaps it is self sustaining and could recreate itself. If this is the case then it doesn't change the fact that Matter-Eater Lad ate it.

does he? i'm not sure.

I move that we start an online petition so that matlock can write the next Legion series.

Second it.

Funny to see the ordeal Keith Giffen, Mark Waid and Jim Shooter had to go through DC Editorial just to make sure Legion was to be acessible and without Superman and then comes Morrison and Johns and are free to do whatever the hell they want to do with the team. Nice going.

Woe the continuity!


My preferred explanation would be that the legion faked the whole Omega story to convince people that the miracle machine had been destroyed. Ha ha!

What's with skimpy "arsenal"? Time Bubbles. Time Blimps? Final Crisis helmets? Where's the snazzy stuff? -- The tanks! The harmonicas of doom!

You know you have a point there, APB.

At first I thought, "Yeah, where's all the good arsenal stuff, like Colossal Boy's humongous weapons or Vi's tiny ones?"

Then I thought, "Oh, yeah they were created along with the New HQ by the Miracle Mach-no that's not right, they were gifts from grateful worlds."

Then I remembered the previous miracle machine was considerably smaller and wondered, like several of you, if it had been retconned out, as Superman has no memory of it...

Then my head began to hurt...again...

Don't really see what all the fuss is about. Brainy merely took Matter Eater-Lad from his sanitarium (LSH #289) and after being somewhat preoccupied by another more pressng matter, (The Great Darkness War) sent a fully sane (albeit highly wackier) Tenzil back home to Bismoll (LSH (#296)--at no point did Levitz depict how Brainy implemented his cure. A simple explanation would be that Brainy syphoned the energies of the device from Tenzil's body into a type of virtual matrix (as he would later do with Computo) and used the cerebral surgical techniques he had been pioneering to repair the brain damage. To stabilize the volitle energies, he redesigned a new Miracle Machine housing and transfered them there. Outside of the Legion only the Time Trapper and Ben Pares ever knew about the MM so the comment of secrecy is valid. And he reveals its existence to Superman because he knows Kal still has trouble remembering all his Legion memories.

The real unanswered question is: If the Controllers could build the Miracle Machine, why were their agents, the Darkstars always outdone by the Green Lantern Corps?

I took this conversation
at the start to mean that this happened straight after the Action Comics arc not during Lo3W.

Not that this in any way dilutes the comments so far.

Hmm...all Brainy has to do is go back in time to before the Miracle Machine was eaten and order it to produce an exact duplicate of itself and then take that one back with him...or he could take the original and leave the copy behind in it's place. It's hardly anything insurmountable to the pre-existing continuity...

No biggie...

I usually attribute this sort of thing to a lack of detail or knowledge of the Legion by DC(and in this case Johns and his editor) before I automatically go to the retcon card...it's pretty obvious DC is trying to bring a close approximation of the Pre Crisis Legion back with as many stories as possible intact.

Legion has a long and complex continuity...even if it didn't...these sorts of glitches are things are part of comics. Always and forvever.

It is pretty funny that they have made some goofs(which Johns has later fixed or explained) when Paul Levitz is probably more knowledgable of this version of the Legion than anyone...

All they'd really have to do is give him the comic and he could point these sort of glitches out with little or no effort...

Korbal:

Brainy says they figured out how to do that only in the year 2960.

This goes way past a "glitch." This is willfully ignoring a couple of very memorable stories: the first Dark Cirle appearance when the Miracle Machine was used to sweep them off Earth, and the Omega story when the Miracle Machine was very plainly eaten. This goes far past fudging when the "Action" Legion's history diverged from the original, or retconning in things like Saturn Girl peeking into applicant's minds. I really hope that there's some sort of explanation for this. Grant Morrison has always had a good rep for doing the research to dig up forgotten nuggets and using them so this is not what I'd have expected.

How does it ignore this one?

Superboyman was fully aware of the existence of the Machine, its origin, its capabilities, and how it was activated -- as were other Legionnaires. He used it himself (albeit by accident) in "Jaws of Death" in Superboy #213.

So Legion mindwiped him of that knowledge, you say? Nah, doesn't sound like it. Brainy says here that Superman is the only one he'd trust to look at it.

The Legion would also have to have mindwiped the Taurus Gang and Ben Pares, who tried to steal it. It wasn't a big secret in the villain community, it seems.

Watching folks digging up excuses how this continuity clusterfrak can be the original Legion is great sport. The game gets harder and harder with each passing month.

So let me join in and offer one of my own:

The Miracle Machine didn't reconstitute itself from Tenzil's digestive waste. It *is* Tenzil Kem. That's why he went missing.

I agree if it's actually been eliminated from continuity it's a major retcon...I just don't agree that it's been clearly shown to have been eliminated from the continuity of this Legion...all we see is that miracle machine is back...we don't know if it never went away...we just know it's back, that's all that's been shown.

That's hardly proof the ME-Lad stuff never happened.

Johns did a pretty good job of explaining this stuff in the recent Return to Earth 2 JSA Arc with Power Girl..

In summary...this isn't Earth 1, this isn't the Earth 1 Pre Crisis Legion.

That debate is over.

The debate now is...is the Pre Crisis Earth 1 back like the Pre Crisis Earth 2? We don't know yet....I'm guessing yes.

As for the Legion and this new information...the only thing left to debate now is whether or not the ME-Lad story happened to this Legion...and I haven't seen a single argument or shred of proof to prove it hasn't, I've just seen that the Miracle Machine is back and ramapant assumptions by my fiercely devoted and protective Legion brethren that the return of the MM means the ME-Lad stuff didn't happen in this continuity...and I haven't seen anything to prove that.

The explanations are fun...I don't mean to be part of the problem, but I guess I had too much exposure to Mort Weissenger lettercols.

In conclusion...this isn't the Earth 1 Pre Crisis Legion, however this Legion is certainly closer than anything we've seen since, at least to my Legion sensibilities...and just because this Legion isn't the Earth 1 Legion, that doesn't mean the ME story didn't happen to this Legion, and neither does the re-appearance of the Miracle Machine.

Just what we needed: MORE ambiguity about the Legion's history.

wtf?

DC has lost the plot.

Is Brainy *drunk*?!
What's with the 'I have to remember the correct sequence of tiles...' crap? He has 12th level intelligence and he can't remember a bloody pattern without concentrating?
And sorry to be picky, but that whole conversation took longer than 76 seconds.