Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION Dr. Gym'll's Cultural Rarities Oh Yeah, That Forum: The Titans The Titan du jour!

He used to get angry a lot:

I don't know what "mars will send no more means" ... maybe he is drunk and/or high.

He's mistaken the Martian Manhunter for a scout of a Martian Invasion.

I neither like nor dislike Cyborg. I just don't have much to say about him one way or another: powers, personality, costume, nothing.

I feel the same way about Colossal Boy.

This looks like something the Fat Albert gang came up with in the junkyard.

That mischievous Mr. Mxyzptlk! Encouraging Bizarro to make Bizarro super-friends and then train them on Earth!

super bizarro looks so proud.

It is difficult for me not to read Cyborg with the voice he had in the Teen Titans cartoon. It was great how he and Beast Boy were friends and foils to each other.

Cyborg was one of the more together Titans on the toon, and if I remember right his status as half-man half-machine didn't bother him too much.

If I could bring only one toon Titan to a fight, it'd probably be him out of the 5.

Most of the Wolfman/ Perez Titans were angst driven. I think that one of the tricks was to have it there, but add it into the other events so things didn't get too bogged down.

Cyborg- Athlete trapped in a cyborg body/ father issues.
Changeling - Dead parents/revenge
Robin - Out of Batman's shadow/ maturing
Starfire - Slavery/ Family issues
Raven - family issues/ control
Wonder Girl - possibly the exception
Kid Flash - uncertainty/ power-health issues

Cyborg initially came across as another angry black man stereotype. While it was to show the frustration of being trapped in a body he didn't really want, it still didn't look great. It was toned down pretty quickly.

I liked Victor Stone a lot as a character, particularly with the kids, Sarah Simms and his growing friendship with Logan. I just never quite got past the angry jock, oh but brilliant scientific mind too combination. I think they said it was partly because he had to maintain his new body and party through growing up with scientist parents. It just seemed a little forced, or sudden at the time.

Cyborg's another in a long line of heroes who excel at both athletics and science. In Batman's case it was out of drive and persistence, while Mr. Terrific is just naturally gifted.

Cyborg... I wasn't that big a fan of him being a brilliant mind either, but at least they confined it to areas where it would make sense (robotics and mechanics).



And then they went and rewrote her origin, and also broke up her (initially happy) marriage to Terry Long

I think the disconnect came because he clearly hated his father, and what happened to him. But at the same time must have been reading everything his parents were working on all along.

As for poor Terry, one of the editors really, really wanted him dead. He couldn't understand why Donna would "settle" for him.

It would have been more believable, I think, if Vic had only learned mechanics AFTER his accident. I can't remember which was the case though, alas.

I don't think Silas ever forced Vic to read up on science, did he? Perhaps Vic did, just enough, so that Silas would lighten up on his love for sports. If he were super intelligent, some of that knowledge would have stuck.

As for Terry, I suppose it didn't help that he wasn't exactly excelling in his own career back then. That might have led to the impression that Donna was "settling".

I think Vic also ran with a bad crowd briefly, in between athletics and hating his father. Presumably the gang would hang around corners reading Popular Mechanics in an intimidating fashion.


I always got the feeling that Terry's writers block was Wolfman's cry for help in the title

I think this was exactly the case! except I thought it was even less believable because he was a super science genius ... and I don't think that kind of genius can be "picked up" I think it requires a passion that he would've had as a child or to some extent.

idk maybe he was a genius as a kid and got into sports to rebel?

The Cyborg issue of the Titans mini series shone some more light on all of this I think.

I think the best explanation would be - Vic was always smart, but only had a passion for sports. Then, after the accident, he was forced to learn about mechanics/robotics in order to maintain himself because he was too proud to go to his dad for help. He only learned as much as he needed to know, and only learned about what interested him.

very possibly. I'm sure Wolfman had it all thought through. A bit of disconnect frm the first issues, but expanded upon in th emini series.

Now for something completely different!

SHIMMER AND MAMMOTH

Mammoth was very protective and a bit dim, while Shimmer was a bit cruel in my memory. Not anywhere near as bad as Psiomon though.

That's Dr Jace in the page above. Not long after that, I'm sure we get to see Psimon pop various veins out along her face and neck. Icky.

I'm trying to remember what happened to shimmer, but Wolfman agreed to shake things up by slaughtering his supporting cast. Didn't Mammoth get a brain injury?

The Fearsome Five were a good, fun group of antagonists. Well characterised and covering a number of bases - The Gadgeteer, the Brick, the Psionicist, the Energy Projector and Shimmer as a wild card.

- Bah My Teen Titans mini is still in storage.

WONDER GIRL (CASSIE SANDSMARK)



As much as I love pre-DCFU Cassie, I actually hesitated to post about her in this thread, because while she was my favorite member of Young Justice, I think her portrayal in Teen Titans was a travesty.

In YJ, as written by Peter David (who raised four daughters), Cassie started out as an adorable, awkward, insecure tomboy and, by the end of PAD's YJ run, had evolved into a bright, poised, confident, authoritative young woman. I especially love the scene in the camping party issue (#7) where she describes the whole Young Justice trip (and superheroing overall) as something grand and mythical.

But then YJ was cancelled, she was moved over to Teen Titans, and Geoff Johns turned her into a whiny, clingy, needy wimp. He also made the horrible mistake of confirming that the previously-dropped-in-Wonder-Woman's-book hints of her being Zeus's daughter were true. That took away all of her everygirl appeal.

I won't even get into the DCFU Cassie, except to say...

At least I'll always have those YJ back issues.

Young Justice era Cassie, who will always be the real Cassie to me:

I loved her in YJ 50 (invasion of Zandia). It was tough but she showed she could rein in a humongous group of teen heroes.