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Cobie, odd request here but it will/should enable me to finish a long dormant LMB onevision:


Can you make a list of LMB members who are deceased in continuity? "Real" (as real as we get I guess) deceased, not believed to be deaceased but actually time displaced or something?

Lets see…I have to do this by memory, to update, but the original answer to this question can be found here

LMBers who have made the Ultimate Sacrifice in the order in which they died

• Food Maker Kid – Dweezil died in the middle of battle by catching on fire, rolling down a hill and then being eaten by a Super Moby Dick of Space. However, his spirit was kept alive and reborn in the body of Donna Troy, and the two beings merged with the Spectre to become the LMBP Spectre! Of course this only happened after Jar Jar Binks and Parallax were also driven out to become Jar Jarallax. He was actually the first ever retconned in character to LMB lore, and was done so in the very first tag team thread, in a scene where one of the LMB stumbled upon “the statue of a fallen LMBer…FoodMaker Kid!”. After that, the above mentioned death (which I created—the person who created him has been forgotten, though I think it was one of the early year one posters who stopped posting soon after) was established, as well as the idea that he was a mentor to Beagle Boy (who, before having speed, had super-cooking powers). Later, during the Early Year One Road trips, the connection between him, Donna Troy and the Spectre came about on Titans World (see the Yahoo Group for the full details) in almost a surreal way—no one could have ever planned. The LMBP Spectre is currently a member of the LMBP (and poster on LW).
• Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal – Another early LMB ally, this Honorary LMBer fought with them on a variety of missions before dying in battle early on. His sister, Kid Gender Stereotype Reversal II carries on in his name and is also an Honorary LMBer. KGSR, of course, is another retcon, only done so four years later in “Doom of the Super-Heroes”. The character was so well liked by the then prominent LMB authors (Lardy, Lash, Kippers and Eryk) that KGSR II gained a following among them and others.
• Dazzle Lass The one true love of LardLad, she finally became an LMBer after fending off Whordru, only to be killed in secret by Mordra the Harlot, the first LMB traitor. It would be weeks before she was ever recovered, and it would bring only more pain.
• Tsarin Kid – The major death of Year One is Tsarin Kid, whose death pretty much puts a close on Year One and starts Year Two (a very vague transition). Tsarin, of course, is Mystery Lad and is still with us today. During this era, he became fed up with DC’s Legion and treatment of Jan and left the boards for a bit, asking his character be retired and deceased. He later returned as Mystery Lad and rejoined the LMB shenanigans. However, its become part of LMB lore that Founding LMBer Tsarin Lad died at the end of Year One, only to somehow come back as Mystery Lad (in a strangely different way) in Year Two. For the next three years he was an LMB ally until the move to Legion World where he finally rejoined the team. This is the major early death.
• Globe Girl – Previously stated in this thread, Globe Girl’s very existence was in question and her story came to an end in “The Never Ending tag Thread”. Or did it? Almost all of the Year Two deaths take place in the first “Crisis on Infinite Earths”, which was essentially the end of the L* Board and the retiring of many alt IDs, as the LMB felt they were being kicked out of their home and sent to a new one.
• Foxy Roxy – a prominent LMBer throughout all of Year Two, Foxy Roxy met her end here in a heroic way. A later Foxy Roxy has appeared since, but we are unsure if this is the same one, a rebooted one or even Foxy Roxy II.
• Lexbose – another prominent LMBer throughout Year Two.
• Silicon Sandra – A member of the LMB throughout this period, she was also connected to Globe Girl, as above states.
• Super Lad Kid – Lesser known member and lurker Super Lad Kid made the ultimate sacrifice here and wasn’t seen again for three whole years! But he was somehow rebooted and is the Super Lad Kid we know today.
• Legion of Super-Holograms – Not necessarily members of the LMB, the LoSH were part of the inspiration to rebirth the LMB at the close of Year Two. They were: G. Stallion (hologram of Raging Bull), Piccard’s Sexy Grandson (hologram of Seahorse) and Brad Pitt’s Sexier Brother (hologram of Lost in Lust Lad aka Terrence).
• Cobalt Kid – For a long time, it was believed Cobalt Kid was among the deceased (not just a mission—a whole year). ]He’s since gotten better so doesn’t really count.
• Explosion Reversal Lad – Frankie Muniz became an LMBer in a yet unrevealed story, and was with them throughout “Hot Summer Nights” battling the One Called the One and Lucifer Lass. Sadly, he was killed during this epic struggle.
• Gary Coleman – Gary Coleman too made the ultimate sacrifice battling Lucifer Lass and the One Called the One.
• Bowels Bursting Boy – In the ‘Super Jailhouse of Space’ Bowels Bursting Boy, only an LMB applicant joined them and tried to help overcome Odran, Lisp Lass and others, and was able to save many of them by making the ultimate sacrifice. Following this adventure, he was made an Honorary LMBer post-posthumously.
• Space Tart – As the LMB found themselves at odds with internal and external threats, Space Tart made the ultimate sacrifice to send the LMB to the anti-matter universe, although it cost her her life. She’s since gotten better so this doesn’t really count.
• Giant Squid – technically not an LMBer, he was a denizen of Legion World and Alt ID that believed in the LMB, and he showed true heroism in the face of danger during “The Dark Stu Saga”, although he was killed by the Royal Inquisitor.
• High Priestess Viviane – Viviane was killed for a time by the Sorceress Morgause, only to finally be resurrected by her and Abin’s daughter Opal—but only when Opal paid the ultimate price. Since she got better, doesn’t really count.
• Opal Jannel – the daughter of High Priestess Viviane, Opal made the ultimate sacrifice, knowing that if Morgause killed her the energies released would restore her mother to life, and thus did so to bring back The High Priestess Viviane.
• Numf-El – Numf has technically at the end of ‘Dragons’, although the Ghost of Numf-El is still an active LMBer! I’m not sure if this would qualify for a statue, though probably.
• KinetixZoeGreen – A former member of the LMB, KZG had been away for some time, when The Sorceress Morgause attacked her without reason and murdered her during “The Good, The Dark & The Dead”.
• The Emerald Empress – Honestly, this is probably the biggest death the LMBP has ever had. Because its been permanent and is a major LMBer (re: poster or alt ID). As stated earlier in this thread, heroic LMBer The Emerald Empress made the ultimate sacrifice in “Infinite Crisis” after showing us that we all have a hero inside.
• Space Ranger – This was also the most major death the LMBP had ever had with the Empress but the Ranger has since gotten better. One of the noblest LMBers to ever serve, Space Ranger also passed away during Infinite Crisis, killed by the Red Bee, after single-handedly taking down all of the villains he’d assembled. ]He’s since gotten better so doesn’t really count.
• Lard Lad – Lardy died during “Five Faces of Death” only to be resurrected soon after. ]He’s since gotten better so doesn’t really count.
• Virgin Lad – also known as Clive, he was formerly a Lard Lad Robot who gained sentience. Sadly, he was killed in the recent roleplay “Thyme Crime”.

Other thoughts

• Faraway Lad - I always thought Faraway didn’t actually die in “Good, the Dark & the Dead” but was on the very brink of death for some time, only to be saved at literally the last minute by Pov’s pint. So essentially, Faraway Lad didn’t die.
• Tomahawk & Liberty Monkey likewise didn’t die but were sent backwards in time to live out the rest of their days in the recent “Thyme Crime”.

Other noble sacrifices in LMB Lore
- Invisible Brainaic of Earth-4, murdered in ‘Crisis of Earth-4!’. Also, Loser Lad, Cobalt Kid and Lard Lad of Earth-4 are all deceased.
- Mean Old Hero, an older hero from a bygone era died in “The Legion of Message Board Super-Villains”.
- Big Blue Mutha, one of the Primary Colors Gang, died during “The Good, The Dark and the Dead”
- Openly Gad Lad, Rockhopper Lad’s boyfriend, died in “Invasion”.
- Danger Damsel, one of Cobalt Kid’s operatives in other space territories died in “Omnia”
- Scipio Taltarus the great war hero of the Triumvirate also died during “Omnia”
- Bat-Fem, who helped Legion World after the Invasion, died during “Omnia”
- Lard Lord, the evil Lard Lad from Earth-4, redeemed himself and died defending LW in “Omnia”
- Gary Concord recently died in our last roleplay thread ‘Thyme Crime”

Who am I missing? I feel like there might be one or two I forgot to mention from recent roleplays, tag teams, onevisions and other events. The “Other Notables” are not LMBers, and I put the LMBers who came back in orange, so they wouldn’t have statues anymore.

Psychotic Beaver was killed by Lard Lad but came back to life thanks to the maddenites in her body ...

Uh, pretty sure Gary didn't die--he's just trapped in the Banned'Em Zone! Unless I missed something...

Also, I'd probably include Dru the Sorceress as another notable LMB ally who was killed.

I need information about the geography and economy of the United Planets. I don't need details about various other states, as I don't plan to touch them much in my fiction.

I probably should have asked before I started creating Nasger, but it's created so now I have to somehow have it make sense in the LMBverse. You stated in your recent story that gold isn't desired, but I have been writing exactly the opposite in my stories. I might have to do some editing sense I didn't know how much space was controlled by the major powers. I also thought that the LMBverse=DCUverse.

http://lmbp.outpost.legionworld.net/wiki/index.php?title=Nasger

What do I need to change?

Wow, Cobie... belated thanks for all that awesome info!!

I've permanently shelved "Night of the Living Dead LMB" in respect to our real-life departed.

I've killed myself a few too many times, it seems.

History
In terms of LMB Continuity, I suggest you read the massively huge A Written History of the LMBP and then the rest of this thread, which I do realize is a pretty big undertaking. But it will clear up quite a bit.

Also, the history of this universe is quite different than the history of the DCU. There was no JSA, instead there was a LMB type organization (see the history). There was no JLA (likewise). There was no Superman (there was Engine Joe). It goes and on. We actually have explored this a bit over the years but naturally there is plenty of room for untold histories over thousands of years.

There is a true DC Universe, however, which we call Earth-2. If you look on the wiki page, you’ll see an article about Earth-2 (which is the DCU). The Marvel U is Earth-3.

I’d be hesitant to introduce DC heroes en masse to LMB continuity simply because the LMB universe is about the LMB. So if someone introduces the Justice League, I’d probably have Cobalt Kid kick the crap out of them all (including Batman and Martian Manhunter) and then make sweet love to Wonder Woman. Why? Because our universe is about our characters. That being said, introducing a few characters here and there, piecemeal, is absolutely okay. Lardy introduced Karate Kid in his onevision “Smoke and Mirrors”, for example.

Of course, there are some duplicates where there are duplicate characters, such as Lightning Lad existing in both, and we also have a Phantom Stranger and Spectre and others. Same for Marvel, where we have a Nightcrawler and Mantis just like them. The LMB History thread will indicate what the duplicates are.

Geography
In terms of the geography of the United Planets, it’s basically the entirety of known space with some borders and exceptions. I see the UP as being a collection of galaxies, not just planets in one galaxy. Let’s not limit the scope of things and be optimistic of technology! Stargates and other things probably have to do with the travel possibilities.

Every planet ever introduced in the Legion is *probably* in our UP, and every planet ever introduced in DC continuity is *probably* in our UP. However, not all DC characters have been introduced. For example, there is no Green Lantern Corps, and Abin Quank is the surviving GL.

There are also thousands of planets in the UP that are unnamed, so there is tons of room to introduce new ones, and then add in their history as you go. They could already be members or just have become members. The idea is that space is constantly being explored and new planets are joining.

Where each planet is located in terms of the others is all pretty open to interpretation. With thousands of planets in the UP, its impossible to figure out, since we could figure it out by Friday and then next week another poster introduced 12 new planets, none of which are next to one another. But basically some of the known geography of the DCU is entrenched (Imsk is near Braal, etc.), and then what we’ve established within our canon enhances that.

Earth is not a part of the UP as its been a major part of LMB lore for a long time, and I just addressed it in the Gold Watch. It may be rejoining shortly (upcoming stories will tell).

The Dark Oval is one of the major sectors of space bordering the UP and that is being addressed in the current Lord of the Oval Novella. The Dark Oval also borders the Khanate.

The Khanate of Sol Invictus is the other major sector; this was once known as the Barbarian Horde, but the barbarian planets there were all conquered and turned into the Khanate. I worked on this quite a bit in Omni, Psionic Spear and Horn of Undoing. It’s a huge mass of space with a long border on the UP. The wiki pages for the Khanate, Black Sun religion, Caracalla, Elagabolus, Barbarian Invasions all give a good history of it. Eventually I plan to continue my stories on this sector of space, likely with additional LMB authors.

There are likely additional borders other than the D.O. and Khanate since space is quite large, there is only one large border with the Khanate and D.O. and the UP is always expanding. I suspect the other far side of the UP not near the D.O. and the Khanate have no firm “border” but are expanding into unexplored areas currently.

There is also the planets that have not joined the UP but all of their surrounding planets have. Therefore, they’re a bit like how an independent city would be in the Middle Ages. Since a planet can be pretty self-sufficient, there may not be a need for them to join the UP.

Economy
One can only hope that the economy one thousand years from now is based on an even better system than we have now. I firmly believe capitalism will maintain a strong presence in whatever it is, and that’s certainly been prominent in our stories. But as citizens of 2011, we all understand capitalism so its easier to write about it than some advanced system created in 2458.

We use the currency base as ‘credits’, like DC and Marvel usually have, which makes sense that the Gold Standard and other types of physical metals (or whatever) would be eliminated completely. So some form of credit/debit on a huge universal scale would exist. That isn’t to say though, that gold is useless—in my story, I implied the Gold Watch Cobalt desired was relatively worthless when viewed by a trillionaire.

I’ve always interpreted gold and silver to be valuable in the sense that they are pretty to look at. But they have no real value in terms of backing currency or being essential to the economy. But just because it has aesthetic value doesn’t mean it isn’t any less valuable. So for Cobalt Kid, who was raised on Ggrrgg, there was no gold, because Ggrrggians are a warlike society that had no practical use for gold. They would have valued something like Titanium or Admantium much more.

But I’m sure many planets would adopt the love of gold that has been prominent on Earth for thousands of years and therefore it would be still be quite a valuable item. Not just in jewelry but in adornments for great monuments, etc. In fact, all you would really is a cluster of planets with a huge desire for gold, probably all within the same vicinity of one another, which would keep the Nasger supply extremely valuable. The fact that many other sectors of space may not value gold—meaning, they’ve never considered mining for it, would be beneficial to Nassger, because it would keep the supply of the product relatively limited. So if it became a niche product for a specific customer base, Nasger could control the distribution and in a sense only gradually introduce it as a product to neighboring planets, to manipulate that planet into gaining its own love of gold. If it was a very measured and gradual approach, it would allow Nasger to maintain its monopoly on mining and harnessing the product.

Yes, I've been thinking that Red Arrow spent her adolescence on Earth-3. Though all of the backstory I added to her is on the DCU (I wrote out detailed family trees, you can see them on my facebook pate). I attempt to retcon things in order for them to make sense and it just gets worse! Though it kind of goes with the spirit of the character, she's supposed to represent bad contiunity/writers that often happens in comic books. I will address some of this stuff when I position my characters in "safe" places before I go to China.

Would an LMB villain be more likely to create a robot or clone a person?

To be completely fair and honest, I'd say the LMB Universe is remarkably similar to the DCU/Earth-2, certainly more similar to it than to any other fictional universes. There are more analogs to the DCU in the LMBU than any other. It's especially similar to the DCU of the 31st century as its been portrayed with many of the characters and planets shared between them.

If you substitute the LMB for the LSH, the similarities are huge. Though we've added many planets, characters and concepts to the milieu, the 31st Century DCU has always been the blueprint.

I think, however, as the LMBverse has grown, we've done more and more to distinguish the two through our mythology. If you look at the Khanate and the Dark Oval (though the latter is VERY loosely based on LSH's Dark Circle), this is a prime example of our distinguishing our galacti-political landscape from theirs.

So though the LMBverse grows more distinctive and complex as each year goes by, its very fair to say its most similar to the DCU as it appears in LSH comics.

I've set Nasger up as a place full of magic realism and Spanish/Portuguese proverbs. The people are moderns/post-moderns in every sense of the word. Sebastian's property is in a town called Cervantes and one of his neighbors believes in Eldorado.

Cobie,

What are the different methods of time-travel that have appeared in LMB lore? Is it commonly available throughout the entire universe; is it only availabe to the LMB ala something analagous to Time Bubbles; or is it only something that a select few (via personal powers or devices) have been able to do?

I know that there are beings like the Time Trapper Mouse and Phineas B. Fuddle who are able to intrinsically accomplish it. I'm assuming that those with Kryptonian/Daxamite/Ultra powersets can do it as well (Ultra-Matt, Dev-Em?). Yellow Kid had his spin-vortex thing. I'm assuming that Young H.G. Wells must have had a device similar to the classic "time machine".

But apart from those, how has the LMB gotten around in time?

Cobie,

What has been established about the enigmatic LMBer CJ Taylor who is known as Enigma?

Ex, at his current levels, Dev Em could not manage Time Tracel on his own, but would be able to survive it unaaided if he was thrown through the time stream.

Time travel in LMB lore isn’t something that has been very defined in the past, so there is plenty of room to work with. There have been several LMBers, allies and villains that have time-traveled that help sum it up:

How the LMB time-travels
It’s been assumed the LMB has time-travel technology but that has never been clearly defined. Actually, its never been something all that important to LMB lore, and so, there is an argument to be made that the LMB does not have time bubble technology. The LMB’s inspiration, Engine Joe (the “Superman” of the LMB universe from the 20th – 21st century) was the one who time-traveled to the future, not the other way around.

The super-esque powered LMBers (Daxamites, Kryptonians, etc.) also have never shown the ability to time-travel with their powers, so I would say they do not have that ability. So Space Ranger, Ultra Matt, Dev Em, etc, probably can’t time travel on their own.

Yellow Kid has his own ability to time-travel using his powers (the spin-vortex thingy). His most famous usage of this was probably when he tried to recruit Superboy (from another universe) in “The Good, the Dark and the Dead”.

The Faraway Lad’s are like the Flashes of the LMB universe in regard to multiple worlds, being the only beings that can travel between them with their own powers. So there is a case to be made that Faraway Lad could also travel through time (I’ll leave that up to him).

There is also the idea that the magic-using LMBers can time-travel with their powers, but that’s always been something I’m not sold on.

Despite the lack of time-traveling capabilities, LMBers do find themselves traveling through time through odd means. For instance, I believe its canon that Eryk Davis Ester, Shark Lad and Cobalt Kid are all honorary members of Jason’s Argonauts in ancient Greece through a tag team a few years ago. I know I consider it Cobalt Kid canon. It’s also canon that Cobalt Kid often travels to the 41st Century to work with a young teenage superteam (I think that’s a reference by Eryk—it wasn’t by me, so I can’t remember the name of the team).

The LMB have also met the various “past versions” of themselves like the JSMBP (Justice Society of Message Board Posters) and LMB Experience, etc. The LMB History has them all written out (I’m too lazy to check).

LMB Allies
The only major LMB ally that travels through time regularly is Time Boy, who is young H.G. Wells. He travels from the 19th century to the 31st century but has all kinds of adventures in between (his wiki page has more info on him). The assumption is he figured out a way to travel from the 19th century to the 31st using 19th century tech, but destroyed it in the process. Once in the 31st Century, the LMBers gave him advanced future tech he used to create his time traveling device.

So the implication is there that the LMBers provided Time Boy with the means to time travel. One could assume this was done by the variety of super-geniuses in the LMB: Tamper Lad, Reboot, Mystery Lad, etc.

LMB Enemies
There are three major time traveling enemies of the LMB:

The first is the Time Mouse Trapper, who is like the Time Trapper in his complete mastery over time. The implication is he is so far advanced, we don’t understand how it works.

The second is Phineas B. Fuddle, whose time travel capabilities are actually quite different than just traveling through time, and I think you’ve got quite a good handle on his abilities.

The third is the Arch Duke of Time, who is Cobalt Kid’s son that was taken by the Time Mouse Trapper and raised many centuries later (the 65th Century? I have to check). He’s a bit like the Lord of Time, but its implied that his time traveling abilities come from finding a way to tap into the same methods of the Time Mouse Trapper—in other words, he only travels through time because of the TMT and wouldn’t have been able to do it on his own. I used the Arch Duke a bit in my onevisions “The Psionic Spear” and “The Horn of Undoing” after many years of just referencing him.

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I may have left out some more. I know Pagan Lass and Stoopid Cat, along with Stu, have deep connections to Ancient Pre-Egypt that Abin established, but a lot of that is mainly because Pagan & Stoopid Cat were born then and lived extremely long lives to the present day.

The short answer is, time travel isn’t something easily done even in the 31st century and very few people can do it.

The LMBer known as CJ Taylor has long been a mystery on Legion World!

Initially during his earliest days, there were claims that he was a lost clone of Eryk Davis Ester, or an Alt ID of Eryk. These claims were eventually disproven. This caused some long time LMBers with insight into other mysteries (aka, Cobie) to make a connection between CJ and the Lardy / Eryk / Lucy bloodline and theorize a possible connection.

Meanwhile, CJ's origin and powers are even more mysterious. The fact that years later the LMB still doesn't understand these things make the codename given to him, Enigma, all the more appropriate.

One might ask: what, pray tell, is it that keeps CJ such an important part of the LMB then? If no one knows his powers, and no one knows where he comes from, how has he managed to be an important part of the organiation for all these years? The answer to that, I'm afraid, is speculation. There must be at least one or more long time, highly regarded LMBers that have purposely and possibly forcibly kept CJ on the team and dismissed others questions. This high-ranking LMB has by-passed protocol and ensured CJ is well-placed in the time no matter who the leader is at any given moment.

One would think then that this long time, rule-breaking, manipulative LMBer may know something about CJ Taylor that he hasn't told the others, though he clearly has the support of the Legion World Founders and some other imporant LMBers like Spellbinder and Eryk Davis Ester.

Where would this LMBer have gotten information on CJ? If not from CJ himself, either through a high-ranking spy/security position like the Chief of Security, or even through covert operations in other cultures. Or even through an ancient discovery in a far away land by the Space Knights Templar?

Could CJ Taylor be possibly the single most important LMBer of them all?

Yes, there is a dark secret indeed in the LMB.

Red Arrow/some of her family might be able to help your characters out. Like all good comic book scientists, they break the laws of physics. Not always without glitches (Red Arrow's memory problems are a direct result of inter-dimensional travel) but they do exist.

I'll be damned if a war between these three (with the LMB caught in the middle, of course) wouldn't make for a magnificent roleplay/epic story! We gotta put that on the LMB bucket list!

maybe due to a power vaccum created by the defeat of the Dark Lord of the Oval!

Pb has a mother box that allows him to travel through space/dimensions/time by creating a Boom Tube because of its connection to the 'source' but i prefer 'cosmic energy' or something like that rather than some sort of metaphysical nonsense. He dosn't know how to use the Mother Box, so it only occurs during times of great need like .... escaping to this lovely dimension, or pursuing the red bee.


Eventually, in maturity Pb may be able to travel through space/time on his own through energy manipulation or psionic means. very far away though.

That's very interesting! When I roleplayed as Little Barda, she became sort of a deus ex machina because of the Mother Box. In some ways it was annoying, but in other ways it was fun because I got pull out Doom Tubes and other obscure Fourth World references.

That could be a ton of fun! A lighter story arc following the heavy Novella could be a nice chance too.

Really good, fun idea!

Yeah, we could play with alternate timelines a little more like we touched on in Thyme Crime, but more complex and involved than in that scenario. It could be fun!

@ CK and LL --> SQUEEEEEEE!!

exactly, im actually really enjoying the physical aspects of his powers, and don't really understand the tech of the mother box to write it well ... so i've kinda written it out. i like him at the power level he is ... don't want him to become a character that can basically undo everything with a wave of his hands or a pop back in time courtesy of the mother box. it is a get out of jail free card if its needed, but its more fun to try and live without it.

unfortunately, its fairly integral to his origin.