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Recently, when I was working on one of the images for the "LMB Monitor Board" thread I used some genogram symbols in the logo I made for Shining Son. That got me thinking... I wonder what a full family tree for the LMB would look like.

WARNING: There are spoilers in the image - don't click it if you don't want to know.


Using Cobie's "fast facts" thread, the LMB wiki, and a couple other sources, I put together this first draft below.

It's very rough and only based upon the info I was able to glean, so there are likely huge gaps and possible misconnections, but I figure it's a good place to start to soliciting feedback for revision.


A couple notes:

- As I didn't want any unconnected islands of characters, I've only put in those that I could connect to the main tree through either familial, romantic, or otherwise established very close relationships (ex. Rocky being Tim's mentor, Cobie and Mystery Lad having been college roomates, or the Everday Girl/Holly Honey/My Whee Fem having been orphans together).

- Resultingly there are some notable ommisions including, but not limited to: Nightcrawler, Candle, Dedman/Viridis, Fanfic Lady, Fat Cramer, Kent, and cleome (among many others).

- The hierarchy is mostly generational, as much as possible, but not entirely. Basically, "home row" is the third from the bottom, with mostly LMBers. Moving down from that point, the next row is non LMB supporting characters (relations, spouses, etc) and the bottom row are the younger characters (young LMB members, children of the LMB). Moving up from "home row" is the "parental" row - but also includes older LMB members such as Abin or Faraway Lad. I've also included Tempest's Avalon characters here as simply a matter of convenience. Above that is the "grandparents" row, but also includes Matlock as he is far older than he looks (He was already old enough to have been on the police force, facing off against the Yellow Kid 60 years ago). The House of Rockhopper then goes one generation higher, but that's an artifact of the software I used (see below). There is then a gap (I should somehow note this that separates a few characters into the far distant past (Pornis, The One Called the One, Numnuts, STU, Pagan Lass, and Stoopid Cat)

- There are a lot of invididuals listed as unknown. Some of these are legitimate (such as EDE's mystery wife) but a lot of them are artifacts of the genogram software needing to have parents listed in order to indicate siblings. The worst example of this is that, in order to show Sketch Lad and his cousins, I needed to go back two generations of "unknowns".


- Varying levels of romantic relationships are represented. I haven't done a legend yet, but basically, here's a guide:

Square - Male
Circle - Female
Diamond - Multiple individuals
An "X" through any of those is deceased

Black - Married
Black with X - Widowed
Brown (crossed)- Marriage Dissolved
Blue (Dashed with Solid underline) - Committed Relationship
Blue (Dashed crossed) - Former committed relationship
Blue (Dashed) - Adopted
Blue (Dotted) - Casual Relationship (short term, or just a date or two)
Blue (Dashed and Dotted) - Very short term/one night stand
Pink - Love Affair
Red - Coercion of some type
Grey (dotted) - Unknown
Grey (arrow) - Minor crush in the direction of the arrow


Green (double) - Very tight friendship/mentoring
Green (circles) - Spiritual connection
Red (squiggly) - Inheritence of a criminal legacy
Red (Triple) - Robot duplicate magically given sentience, changed into a humanoid, and later killed ( )

Grey dots between siblings indicate twins/triplets


- There are a couple of odd things that I couldn't full represent (Shark Lad and his "siblings" as genetically engineered, the SHAKES androids, the essense of Hugh Taylor being transferred between women prior to birth, etc.) but I did the best I could, and I think it's mostly self explanatory.


Anyway, take a look, let me know what I missed, got wrong, or otherwise just plain lied about.


Click to enlange:

You are really awesome Ex, you know that? You're just too cool for words!

My initial impressions is: CROWNING MOMENT OF AWESOME!!!

I'll need to give it a second look to really soak it in, since it's wondefully complex! It's pretty groovy that the LMB can be represented in a way as a huge family tree.

Thanks so much, man.


I just took another run through "fast facts" and think I can tie a few more folks into the tree.

A couple questions I need clarification on, though:

1. So "Homecoming Queen", who lives in the LMB's universe, is actually the daughter of the Earth-4 Cobie and Thora, correct? And she was romantically linked to Beagle Boy?

2. Cobie was involved with "Tiffany Spiffany". Is she the sister of "Lester Spiffany". If so, what is the nature of the relationship between Lester and Leap Year Lass? More to the point... is Leap Year Lass just another name for Teeds, or are they two different characters?

3. Is the Emerald Empress still dead?

4. Since Dev Em had an entire career in Counter Intelligence prior to joining the LMB, is he still closer in age to the average LMBer, or is he more Abin/Faraway Lad age?

5. Sonnie Bloke was Numf-El's brother... but since the Ghost of Numf-El has a completely different genetic make-up, does that mean Sonnie is not the GoNE's brother? (holy crap... btw... what an acronym!)

6. It looks like at one point during his Inquisitor days, Sir Roy had a thing for Quislet, Esq. Was this reciprocated? And does Roy have any other family/romantic ties?

7. Icefyre is a male, correct?

8. In the never finished "Tell an LMB Story in Reverse" thread, it was revealed that Zardi is the father of the Light Brigade member, The Flasher. Do either of those two have any other known family/romantic connections?

9. C.J. Taylor. Is he... you know... another brother of those other brothers?

1) Yes, you've got that exactly right. She's also the Earth-4 version of Umber.

2) Tiffany Spiffany is the sister of Lester Spiffany, yes (she's an alt on LW). They dated briefly.

*"Leap Year Lass" = Teeds, and that's her official LMB codename. She is Lester's fiancé.

3) Yes

4) I believe he's somewhere in between Faraway Lad and the average LMBer, but I'll let him clarify.

5) Numf's heritage is as complicated as he gets. Basically he's the 'child' of all the multiverse's greatest heroes: Hercules, Luke Skywalker, etc. That includes Cobalt Kid as represented in this reality. How Sonnie is his actual brother is something I'm not sure he ever explained, whether adopted, or brother via another reality, or something else? (They are brothers in RL)

6) Sir Roy and Quislet were engaged for many years though never married. Roy's past was delved into during Five Faces of Death. He has no siblings or other romantic ties (his parents long dead).

7) Correct. He is Semi's half-brother.

8) None that I'm aware of, though Abin has a HUGE backstory for Zardi that remains unrevealed.

9) That revelation is going to be a MAJOR part of Lord of the Oval! So very shown you shall know for sure!

*Cobalt has also dated several others over the years but I didn't want to inundate you to people Cobalt was linked up to. One nicely complex one is Mantis, who is linked to Mattropolis in that both occupy the same space in different realities--meaning, whenever one is on Earth-1, the other is on Earth-3 (further meaning this is the real Marvel Mantis). She dated both Cobalt Kid and Space Ranger for a time (er, but not at the same time).

Brilliant stuff!

possible considerations/additions:

Kent had romantic relations with Myriad (and short-term with Viviane).

Ghost Girl had/has a spiritual connection with Lard Lad.

Igraine, Morgause, and Viviane, while based on real people, never came to LW. They were all shades of Tempest, so was DivineOpalJanell.

All of which, was mostly explained in here.

So, they aren't the ones with parents...as Tempest was their unconscious originator. Though Tempest herself is the daughter of Baroness Janiel and her husband Rober.

That's from my notes, I haven't posted it anywhere.

Cobie is right. Dev is older than the average LMB'er, but not as old as Faraway/Abin.

Part of the thing with him is that he looks younger than he is due to his heritage. He may look younger than Lardy, but is older than him by about 5 years.

To fill in a gap or two, and cause you a bigger headache.

Dev (along with T-Wolf) and Sharklad share a heritage as well. Their Mothers (from http://www.legionworld.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001209 )


They were twin girls named Helena and Suzanne born to Dr.'s Francis and Gretta Aurelius.

Awesome job by the way.

Ex, I am ever in awe of you! This is a-mah-zing!

His talents do seem endless, don't they?
(I mean there was the Cadbury Egg thing, but I give him a pass on that one.)

Totally awesome, man... a work of staggering genius...

Excellent job!

However, Mordra and Dru's parents are definitely known! Dad (deceased) was Mordru and mom is Mala (alive at this point). Also, Pornis' father/Lardy's grandfather was XXXauron (deceased). Pornis' mother is unknown.

Now, there's a dangling plot thread!

Oh yeah...plus Hugh Taylor/HUGEMANBREASTS (deceased) was a clone of Lard Lad (though imperfect). Maybe a new spiffy line to represent cloning?

Thanks for all the feedback and the additional info guys!


Tempest - I just read your Revealing Shades story. That was such an awesome recap of all your characters and a perfect way to bridge the continuity between them all. I have to admit, trying to weed through all the old threads and figure out just who was who was a nightmare for someone who wasn't on LW at the time. With that single story, I feel I finally have a clear picture. For the genogram, what I'll do then is add Tempest in (along with her parents) and indicate through some sort of new connection line which other folks in the tree were her shades. I feel like, at a bare minimum, Viviane has too many hooks into other characters to eliminate her from the diagram altogether, but I'll indicate the she, Morgause and Divine Opal Janell are "aspects' of Tempest.

Dev/Sharky - Truth or Consequences... whoa! I did not see that coming at all, but that is such a cool twist. It really gives a whole new nuance to the long standing Shark Lad/Furball animosity. It will take a little bit of readjusting of the chart (I have to figure out a better placement to tie you two together, while still keeping Lon in proximity to the Hrykos family and now realizing that Icefyre is Semi's brother, but I'll make it work).

Kent - Great! I'll totally add both of those... I was really bummed about not finding connections for some of the major players.

Lardy - I'll add in the additional Mordra/Dru info, and the Hugh Taylor clone, but a quick question about the XXXauron/Pornis stuff. So are they both sort of ancient beings or is Pornis a more contemporary offspring?

Cobie - While I don't really anticipate the return of Numf and Sonnie, I will add them as brothers even with the continuity mishmash. Is it fair to say, though, that Numf was this "son" of these heroes, but that his "ghost" was the offspring of Golden Girl... or was he originally Golden Girl's kid and then just came back as a ghost after he died?

Oh! Another question for Cobie.:

During the "Thyme Crime" when Phineas was adjusting the timelines of various LMBers, he temporarily adjusted that of Lolita such that she was replaced by the meek librarian, Mary Hatch. I had written that Mary was the child of "Niles and Esther Hatch" and the granddaughter of a "Dr. Ezra J. Hatch".

The question is - Is this still a valid lineage still for Lolita after her timeline was restored, or was "Mary" not an alternate timeline version of Lolita at all, but rather a different person altogether that the universe "subbed in" for her once she was out of the picture.

I had to look something up to make sure. According to "Pyngwyn's Progress" Rockhopper Lad's origin story, Rocky's grandfather was actually Emperor Chrysochome XXXIV. I don't think I ever established what his father's (Rocky's great-grandfather's)name was. "Chrysochome" is Rocky's middle name, "Eudyptes Chrysochome", of course, being the taxonomic classification of the rockhopper penguin.

This makes this project no less a-mah-zing.

No prob... easy fix, Rocky.

In order to show Chrysochome and Kestor as brothers, though, I have to include the parental pair. Should I just list the great grandfather as "unknown"?

It's never been established, but why don't why decide right here and now that his dad was Eudyptes XXVII!

Ex, thanks for the comment about Shades.

And also, I think this is an amazing endeavor on your part and I thank you for taking the time to create something that will be so useful for all.

(I thought I responded to this awesome thread already)

A couple things:

1) yet again so frikin awesome EX!!

and really interesting to see it all laid out.

2) PB needs to get busy .... he's off on his own with only one arrow pointing at him!

I'm sure if every LMBer who had a crush on Peebs was pointing to him, he'd have more arrows than Oliver Queen.

tee hee


Rocky.

They're all pretty ancient beings. As revealed in LotO, Pornis was actually a minor god in Greek mythology called "Priapus" (look him up in WikiPedia! ). His history is not necessarily the same as Pornis', but I feel they are one and the same, nonetheless. So Pornis' folks are even ancient-er!