Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Let's Talk About LSH #5 (DEFINITE TOTAL SPOILERS!)...

Wow. If we get Rush back in the LSH maybe Waid will bring in a new version of Kent Shakespeare. That would be too cool.

Wasn't this originally supposed to be the case when L.E.G.I.O.N. first appeared? Some thought they were supposed to be the precursor of the LSH, but that never made any sense since the LSH hadn't been in contiuous existence for 1000 years. The more likely scerario, which I always thought was true, was the L.E.G.I.O.N. became the Science Police. It looks like that's true "again".

It doesn't affect anything. It's already established that the reboot Legion is "out there", lost in hyperspace or something. Just because we're not revisiting that era anymore doesn't mean the stories didn't happen. IOW, that entire year the Legion spent in the 20th Century (which drove me from the book), still happened. Superman will still remember them and Inferno is lurking around in the 21st Century. None of that has changed.

Jeepers, nine pages is too much for this boy right now! I'll just jump in right here:

Issue #5 is the best issue so far, IMO and totally blew me away! Brin Londo! Imra being 'Imra' again by doing what *she* thinks is right (I love it!), Jo and Tasmia sleeping together?, Garth outright kicking ass!...all in all, a damn fine issue.

Legion is blowing me away again--hell yes!

I can't find the post right now, but someone mentioned that the guy sitting next to Projectra in Legion issue#1 might have been Brin Londo. I don't know why, but the guy sitting next to her resembles Grev Mallor more than he does Brin Londo. He has dark hair, and possibly a blue skin tone, although that just might be the color of the shading used. That would be interesting...what could Grev and Jeckie possibly have to talk about?!? Unless Grev has already reached some level of "royalty" on Talok VIII, then they MIGHT have something in common.

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Nope. She hasn't been in a roll call yet. She really only had real "screen time" in issue 1, and it didn't have a roll call page. So we don't officially know her homeworld yet.

Hi Guys
Just a quick heads up that the Timber Wolf design sheet is now posted!

Glad you're enjoying the book!

L.E.G.I.O.N. as precursor to Science Police? That does make sense - and puts Brainiac 5 in an odd (but not contradictory) position, evoking his Adventure-era concern that he had to set right the wrongs done by his ancestor, Brainiac.

At first, I didn't pick up on the fact that LL and SG are treating the "kids" in somewhat the same fashion as they have been treated by elders - but that certainly is the case here, as a previous poster pointed out. Maybe not as extreme; after all, they are trying to rally the troops, get the kids to take action, but with some caution. No doubt these legionnaires have grown up with their experiences - maybe they were reckless hot-heads when they started out.

A speedster on the team makes sense - especially such a go-getter as this one. I never saw enough of Mara Williams or the Tornado Twins to care about them one way or another - and XS wasn't a character I really cared about that much - so if the new girl is "Jenni" or somebody else, that's okay. Or maybe we never see her again... her smilie will live on .... we can't have everybody join....

I was thinking that these legionnaires may be a group of rich kids - we learn that half of them have parents who are U.P. delegates - maybe things have changed, but that sort of job usually goes to the upper crust. There was also Jo's comment about how much it cost to drive around in that car, and how he really didn't care about the cost... maybe it's the Super Trust Funds of Space that are paying for all this.

Fat Cramer they do seem like the spoiled (bored) super kids of cosmic surburbs don't they. I mean except for Brin.

That's true. In that case, hopefully they'll reference the matter at some point--Wally and/or Bart used to meet XS every year or two, so they should hear of her sudden nonexistence/disappearance sooner or later.


An observation which might as well go here as anywhere: now that Barry's posted the concept art for Brin, we can see a note saying that he might have "rages" Karate Kid can help with. By my count that's the third time Val's been referenced as a potential consultant on mental/physical control: first, he tried to help Dream Girl induce sleep in herself, before Shady induced it the old-fashioned way; and then, this issue, he's called up to help with Ultra Boy's problem. Is he just a good teacher because of his own training in self-discipline, or do his martial arts extend to subtler mental/physical manipulations of targets? It'll be interesting to find out.

Point well taken, but maybe your analogy is a little harsh. In cauterizing their fears, Saturn Girl was only doing what's she's done time and again in the past -- manipulating people for their own survival. The "ends justify the means" shtick is part of her normal modus operandi, and served to illustrate that she's fundamentally the same character she's been for 40 years. I agree the storytelling was a rather paternalistic tactic (and an apt character moment for LL), but I'm not so sure about equating it with manipulation and lies, since the kids already seemed to be aware of the potential danger they were in. Calming them and uniting them was only the first step in executing a "strategic retreat", but LL and SG miscalculated about how much time they had left before the s@&t the fan.

Perhaps I rationalize because I'm frequently guilty of the same abhorrent activity. Storytelling, I mean, not manipulating brains.

Just copying this over from the costume design sketch because it's potentially story-related...

RTVU2 noticed that Brin's apparently got some forearm tattoos, and I think we can see them in this issue when he's flying coatless. They look an awful lot like Lemnos' markings to me.

Preboot Brin's super-powers were originally described as "partial," presumably as compared to Kryptonians/Daxamites. IF Lemnos turns out to be Daxamite or equivalent, could he and Brin have a common origin in this timeline? Such as, say, Brin being a failed attempt to duplicate Daxamite powers? All the powers we've seen him show so far are lower-powered versions of Daxamite ones, after all...strength, speed, supersenses.

I actually thought the markings on Brin's forearms were misplaced, as they match Jo's costume/gloves design.

I sound like i might be alone but I am still only reading this cause it's legion and if we could go back to proper time tommorow I'm there.

Issue 5 and we still haven't seen half the damm team. Knock the pace up a notch please.

I can understand your wanting the story pacing to pick up. but hey, at least it comes out on time so far. I am a Supreme Power fan and that book has slow pacing(but I am enjoying it) and long delays between issues. it debuted in August of 2003 and is just now on issue 16!

Sure we have .(sort of) I counted 17 Legionnaires on the cover ... if you count the head shots, the background, and Cos, Shady and Jo. There are even three more but I haven't got a clue who they are.


I like seeing the widespread influence of the group. There are quite a few 2nd tier Legionnaires in this issue, don't forget the kids fighting for their lives are all Legionnaires too y'know.

Hmmm. If true, then "Lester Spiffany: LEGIONNAIRE!!" should be in the works as I type this. Yay!

Did you remember to look at Barry\'s pencils for help?

Although only in my mid-thirties, I might have just turned into the "grandpa" the Legion is telling to go eat because I thought it out of place to hear the expletive "pissed" still used in the 31st century by (presumbably) non-Earthlings - a minor quibble in an otherwise outstanding issue.

I'm chomping at the bit to know why Garth is from Trom and what his relation, if any, to Ayla is. Separating these two from their twin roots would be just wrong and I would officially dub it the "Sneckie Manoeuver", a change for change's sake, an unnecessary change that would only alienate the fans.

No I hadn't compared the pencils to the finished cover LL. Thanks loads for reposting that.
My wife just commented on it saying she really liked Barry's pencils a lot more than the actual finished cover. Love those pencils.

Even on the finished version there are a couple of faces I don't know. Who is the (apparently) African-American between Chameleon and Element Lad? I don't think it's Star Boy.

I can see him as Star Boy but there is something a little off in the look. Can't quite place it. Maybe its Tyroc.

I have to disagree with you, which may surprise some as I spend a LOT of time bitching about slow pacing and the lack of tight plotting in today's comics. But what I think makes the current Legion as good as it has ever been, and better than most anything else published in the industry today, is the fact that the book is so well plotted.

Unlike every other damn Geoff Johns, or Peter David story, it does not take forever for anything to happen. Yes, there is an ongoing overall story, and various subplots, but every single issue of the current Legion has been a complete story. There has been something that has been introduced, explored, and resolved in each issue.

The Legion then is a far superior reading experience than those other comics by so-called hot writers that only give the briefest middle part of an ongoing "epic."

I note also that Legion takes longer to read. I can whip through an issue of JSA or Teen Titans in, like, 8 minutes. With Legion, I linger.

Regarding Brin's forearms? Jo has the same exact black bars on his gloves. Think it's just a confusion, etc. Ofcourse it might be a operational equipment of some kind?

Portfolio Boy, I agree. These single-issue stories have been, for me, what makes this book even more special. Most writers rely on last-page cliffhangers to make readers excited about the next issue. But, Waid has been able to build ongoing suspence for the overall story while still giving each issue a beginning, middle and end.

It's just one of the many reasons to love this book.

Or maybe Jo's the other failed experiment at recreating Daxamite powers.

But yeah, it could be either an inkers' confusion or (like Arachne suggested) a standard 30th-century ornamental motif.

*EDIT* Barry just confirmed that they are tattoos, anyway!