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Geoff Johns and slaughtering teenagers, name a more iconic duo

ah, but it all gets erased again... right? right?

So, basically this story primarily served to

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Could someone explain again why just having the JSA set on another Earth was too confusing and convoluted?

Because the last time they did that was a complete disaster.

The problem here isn't the JSA, it's Helena Wayne's role in all this. People want the JSA together with the other teams because they like the idea of the JSA inspiring future generations of heroes while still having an active role in the super community. We liked Jay Garrick acting as a parental figure to the likes of Wally West and Bart Allen. We liked Wildcat teaching Black Canary and Green Arrow and Batman and Catwoman how to fight. We liked Jade associating with Kyle Rayner. And it gets us characters like Courtney Whitmore and Grant Emerson and Jesse Chambers.

One of the biggest failures of the New 52 was taking the JSA off the main DC Earth again. They lose their impact if they're just treated as the alternate Earth counterpart of the Justice League.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am NOT going through that nonsense again.

Well, I disagree completely.

The problem with the New 52 JSA was that it was a reboot. No one wanted an Alan Scott whose career was just starting in the present day.

The appeal of the JSA is its history. They were the super-heroes of the Golden Age, of World War II. And the appeal of Earth-2 was that we could see them age and develop in something like real time, or at least as close as we were going to get in comic books. I don't want to see them having an "active role in the super-hero community". Alan Scott and Jay Garrick should be over 100 years old by now. We should be reading the adventures not just of their children, but of their grandchildren or great-grandchildren by now. Seeing stuff like Jade, who should've been one of the premiere super-heroes of her world, reduced to a supporting character for Kyle Rayner didn't appeal to me at all. Having Wildcat train Batman or Green Arrow? Well, okay, but it's kind of weird considering those characters debuted before Wildcat. Turning characters like Superman and Batman, who were historically the inspirations for so many other heroes, into characters that exist in a continuity that already has a bunch of pre-established heroes, has always just seemed wrong to me.

As far as the JSA being an alternate Earth counterpart of the JLA, well, I'm cool with that, because that's basically what they were. The JLA was basically a reboot of the JSA. It would be like deciding all of the different versions of the Legion were redundant, and deciding to smoosh them all together into one reality, and letting the "originals" serve as the mentors of the Bendis team, but also deleting any member who seems too close to their Bendis counterpart. I mean... you could do that, and I guess some people would enjoy it, but it's not something I'm really going to be into.

For what it's worth, I also think Barry Allen and Hal Jordan work best when tied to the 60s/70s, so I'm not really a fan of most of what's been done with "bringing them back" in the 21st century either.

Agree with all of this. The only people I want to see the classic JSA mentoring are Jade and Yolanda/Wildcat and Beth/Dr. Midnite, Brainwave Jr. and Silver Scarab and Nuklon/Atom-Smasher, Obsidian and Huntress and Stargirl. I much prefer them on their own Earth, than squished onto the same planet as Earth 1 heroes. The only world-smooshing I might have accepted is adding the Freedom Fighters and Captain Marvel family to the Earth 2 setting, sort of phase out the Earth's that had only a single set of heroes like the Shazamily. As a big fan of Dr. Fate, particularly, I don't want to see him on the same Earth as Dr. Mist, Zatanna, Raven, etc. Nor do I want to find out that there's a new Justice League which takes *zero* inspiration from the old Justice Society that preceded them, 'cause that's just disrespectful, IMO. DC shoved them back into the past history of their single world, but had them disappear without leaving a ripple, just fade away and be forgotten, while heroes like Green Lantern and the Flash seemed practically unaware that there had been prominent heroes with those exact names (and powers!) *only a few decades ago!*

And yes, even the bit about new Barry and new Hal, who Johns brought back as a socially awkward bumbler that even *Wonder Woman* mocked for being naive and kind of hopeless, and a raging egomaniac who had to quit the Justice League because he personally was giving them bad publicity with his 'tude. I do not understand how fans of Barry and Hal can be anything other than furious at Johns for bringing them back, only to disrespect them so egregiously, just ignoring the experienced, competent, *respected* heroes they had been, and resetting them to 'make them beginners again.'

The current Legion team continues their appearance in Green Arrow #4. It is brief and nothing important happens as far as the Legion is concerned. Lian tosses some sass at Brainy and is generally very energetic. She seems like she would fit well with the early Reboot Legion.

SUPERMAN: THE LAST DAYS OF LEX LUTHOR #2
Written by MARK WAID
Art and cover by BRYAN HITCH
Variant cover by CHRIS SAMNEE
1:25 variant cover by FRANCIS MANAPUL

Superman continues his mission to find a cure for what’s killing Lex Luthor. When the present has no answers, maybe the future will! But will the Legion of Super-Heroes help Clark find a cure for a man like Luthor?

Which Legion is this?

Apparently it's Waid's take on the original SA Adult Legion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8sEE31d0qc

Green Arrow Dawn of DC #3 Legion

*sobs quietly*

I felt this was Legion-related to mention.

Magdalene Visaggio revealed on Twitter that when she pitched the Kon-El back-up feature in Action Comics #1057, her original plan was to have Kon transition as a trans woman. There are designs from Darick Robertson of her identity as "Skyrocket."

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-pitch-conner-kent-superboy-trans-woman-superman/

If Visaggio had been able to see this happen we would've finally had a transgender Legionnaire.

Sarky, I think Magdalene's idea had potential, but rather than courting controversy with that, couldn't we just have Nia Nal, the trans girl introduced in the Supergirl TV show and brought into the DCU, join the Legion? Or is there some continuity thing I'm not aware of?

Why not both?

I mean in the sense that I have no idea what DC is doing with Dreamer right now, but Mags made it clear on Twitter that she's not waiting around for anyone else to try and bring more trans rep to DC so she did what she could with what she had access to.

I did the same thing last year.

Your point is well taken, Sarky. If anything, I was being overcautious.

It's cool. Seeing the brain surgeons on Twitter acting like Mags tried to "ruin Kon forever" it's hard not to feel cautious.

In some alternate Universe, comic books in the 21st century are more diverse, the fans are more amenable to variety, and the stories are compelling.

But... but.... they did their own research!!!! /s

They looked at TWO Tiktok/Youtube videos to make sure of it!!! /s

Double LOL.

So, more news likely of importance to the future of the Legion:

Geoff Johns Leaving DC to co-found new company.

Will we ever find out who the Golden Age Legionnaire is? Will Legion of Four Worlds ever be a thing? Will someone else get to take a shot at the Legion, once it's no longer being held on the backburner waiting for Johns to finally get around to whatever he was planning on doing with it? Do Garl and Englen like hot sandwiches?

When Jarth became Garth again, did he completely become Garth or is there a wee bit of Jan still in him?


on a more serious note, just read the article: wow! that's a lot of creators involved

Yeah, some huge names. I don't really get how this is supposed to massively different than similar creator-owned/driven companies we've seen in the past, but I appreciate the motivation for it.

Maybe this is my chance...