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Alas poor Lyle...

SW6 helped Lyle become prominent again, and the Reboot really helped him take off

Yeah, I like Postboot Lyle very much. Love the rivalry between him and Brainiac 5.

There were times in the early Reboot, I worried he'd become too much like TMK Jo. But the writers gave him some hang-ups, without making him too capable, so he managed to avoid that

Good point well taken. There are few things in comics that annoy me more than a Gary Stu. It's amazing in retrospect how many pitfalls the Postboot avoided. At least in its early years.

Postboot writer Dan Abnett still pops up in 2000AD.

Dan Abnett's ex-collaborator Andy Lanning is also a talented inker. No one makes Phil Jimenez's pencil art look better than Lanning. He also did a great job inking the pencil art of Postboot Legion artist Olivier Coipel.

I found that quite a treat, that Andy both writes and inks

I'm sure I mentioned this in my re-read last year (or was it two years ago at this point?), I was never a fan of the Coipel/Lanning pairing, as the inks were much MUCH to heavy for my tastes. Granted that LotD was his initial foray into comics, it REALLY turned me off, and unfortunately I don't think Coipel was drawing to my taste until the end of his run.

LoTD was a bit heavy for me too. I like how they got a bit less heavy during Legion Lost. and by the team the Legion rolled around, I think the art had evolved very nicely

It totally did evolve for the better. I guess for me personally, it became more smooth and less scratchy, to the point where I became enthusiastic about Coipel's art, at the end of his run. Which is too bad, as I'd really have liked to see him do the Legion in his refined style.

While I think you guys make perfectly valid criticisms, I also think the art's rough edges and looseness were well-suited to LOTD and LLost. And the battle in LLost 10 between the Progeny fleet and the most powerful heroes is, in my opinion, breathtaking in its grandiosity.

I agree that Damned was meant to be very bleak, and Lost was too.

Like Fickles, I found the rough, scratchy look worked well for the story. It gave the cast a certain nervous energy adding to scenes such as Cham hiding out to the dynamism of the blighty's attacks. It also added a certain grittiness to a UP fallen on tough times.

I think it took a scene or so to get used to it though.

Had they relaunched with that storyline, I'd have kept reading DnA's run. As it was, I wasn't hooked on the #1 when it did come around to pick it up.

I totally understand the approach of the art depicting the mood of the story. But to me it was borderline incomprehensible - but that was just my own taste, of course. I much preferred what came before, as well as the artist that drew the Widening Rifts story.


This is my other problem. The tone of the team's story stayed bleak for two+ years, as I've said before.

But people apparently dug it. what the F* do I know, I'm just a fan.

Well, I only liked it up to a point. Like I said in my DnA poll thread, the wheels were already coming off by the time of Legion Worlds. The relaunch looked great, but I agree with Thoth that the scripting was not engaging enough to sustain interest. I forget whether I said DnA should have left after LLost or after Legion Worlds.

EDIT: I just checked. I said after LLost. That's how I still feel today.

I think if I could go back and adjust my vote, I'd probably change it to that as well, or to after Legion Worlds.

I think Dream Crime was around the time I felt the series was losing its luster. Not because of the art, Batista’s art was gorgeous. I think it was more the lack of any real emotional payoff to the stories

Yes, I was always curious about the timing there - yet another thing to discuss in a post-crisis behind-the-scenes tale of the Legion.

McAvennie sacked the OG Reboot team in favor of Abnett, Lanning and Coipel. Then McAvennie gets fired himself around issue 14-15 of The Legion, and Coipel leaves at around the same time. And you're right, Ibby - the book kind of goes listless. Dream Crime was OK. Same with Foundations.

It may have been a contract thing, as DnA probably should have gone out with McAvennie, but writers are typically on contract while McAvennie was definitely let go from DC.

GL, I think you should write a behind-the-scenes tell-all about the Legion from 1989 to 2004. It doesn't necessarily have to be a published book. You could do the whole thing in a single Legion Forum thread.

I'd love to do that, even do something self published. I just need time and motivation.

The other thing I've found is that some of these creators are rather prickly when challenged (which I get). I asked a question to a writer recently and received a lengthy answer to what I thought was a basic question that was a bit on the terse side.

So between that and people not willing to throw others under the bus, I need to bone up on investigative journalism techniques. My youngest is working for her HS newspaper and is in journalism class. Maybe I should ask her.

I can relate, sometimes I find myself getting prickly at what, to the asker, seems like an innocent question

Yep, I was asking someone with a much broader industry perspective a more fannish question and I can see how that could be annoying. And its one that he probably has fielded dozens of times.

I get the same way when I hear certain comments about my industry from folks who aren't on the inside.

My annoyance comes mainly from nosey friends and relatives

My annoyance at the minute comes from having wiped the wordle score on this device while trying to help with someone else's problem. Esp. as I knew clearing some device data would make zero difference.

That happened to me today - my streak reset for no reason.