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Ewww. I'd not like to be out with Darkseid when he's drunk. It's only going to end up with you apologising for everyone he's omega beamed for not serving him drinks in a millisecond, not letting him hog the karaoke...

Could be worse. Imagine Black Bolt on Karaoke.

Or a duet between Black Bolt and Superman, written by Grant Morrison.

Which dimension are we now… oh and there’s that throwaway object that Morrison introduced ten issues ago in another series… and… is that an appearance of Superman from 100000 years in the future?

The, bandage wrapped Unknown Superman from the future, who turns out to be Alan Moore appearing to say "Will you stop ripping off my stuff?"

To his credit, Alan Moore never had Superman sing Darkseid out of existence. Grant Morrison did, to eternal shame.

When people sing musical numbers in front of me, vanishing out of existence until the next reboot doesn't seem so bad.

I've never liked Warren Ellis, but the retcons he did in Next Wave are what really make me hate him.

If only all writers knew how to properly respect the characters they write

I remember reading one issue and he managed to wreck Monica Rambeau. The rest must have been dreadful. I've always wondered what the reaction of regular Stormwatch readers was when he killed off their team, so he could use the title and sales as a platform for what would become The Authority.

I remember seeing one of his internet groups, realising it wasn't a parody and marked in my mind with a sign saying "Here Be Tools" What was disclosed about him later, didn't appear as a massive surprise.

I, too, was unsurprised. If anything, I felt vindicated for having been one of his most steadfast detractors even when he was considered the coolest dude in the funnybook industry.

Cool = edgy for some. Me, I prefer my heroes good and representing the best of humanity

Same here. No matter how many times Real Life leaves me feeling gutted in regards to other people, I still believe that those of us who really try to be our best selves can succeed. But having more fictional role models would certainly help.

I'll third that. I've never been comfortable with the anti-hero trend.

Thanks, GL.

I think the whole antihero thing is a case of arrested adolescence -- en masse, which is a very scary thought.

A lot of common tropes are annoying. Fighting before talking, the hothead, driven by disproportionate revenge, not communicating with allies but maintaining stupid secrets…

psychopathic rampages at your teammates for the most innocuous things, female characters being used as trophies having to fall for emotionally stunted male characters, or being killed off to give male charatcers something to angst about...

Wow, I really feel like you're describing Guy Gardner.

For a time, he was. Still remember when he broke Beetle's ribs...

I was thinking Wolverine for a lot of it, but there's no shortage of characters to fit the bill.

Jean-Paul Valley, Punisher, Eradicator...

I give Jean Paul Valley a pass, because at least Denny O'Neil tried to give him a definite character arc and some moral ambiguity.

I think I read Azrael's first appearance, and didn't dislike it. He seemed to quite different when I saw him next. O'Neill being involved in early ones would explain that.

In the comments on a recent Youtube about the dearth of sub-plots in comics of the past decade, someone referenced the book DC Comics Guide to Writing Comics by Dennis O'Neil. According to the commenter "There's a part in the book that specifically discussed and encourages the use of subplots to explore different facets of the hero's life and cast, as well as a system used for graduating background subplots into the foreground plots- called the Levitz Paradigm. Plot A takes up the majority of the issue, while Plot B becomes the focus of the next issue, and Plot C is a minor point that becomes Plot B of the next, and so forth." I thought it was interesting the O'Neill called it the Levitz Paradigm which to me is an obvious reference to his Legion work where sub-plots abounded.

There was definitely a method to how Levitz brought in and developed sub-plots!