Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION Spaceopoly The Non-Legion Comics Trivia Thread Pt 5

Rachel Summers is the one.

Rachel has decided that vampiric Selene, Black Queen of the Hellfire Club, needs to be killed but Wolverine is determined to stop her which he does by stabbing her through the heart. Rachel manages to keep herself alive through her psychic powers and drags herself off. Wolverine, barely alive himself thanks to Rachel, is joined by the rest of the X-men who go looking for Rachel. Meanwhile the Hellfire Club also goes out looking for her for less benign reasons. The two forces meet and fight when they are interrupted by Nimrod, the super-sentinel from Rachel's alternate future, who attempts to eliminate them all. The teams join forces and manage to at least temporarily disable Nimrod at great cost to themselves. Meanwhile Rachel has attempted to remove herself from the vicinity since ahe feels she is the cause of the fight. In her dazed and injured state she is met by a woman who helps and guides her on a strange dancing path, but it turns out that the woman is Spiral, sometime member of the government's Freedom Force and later to be revealed as agent of Mojo, whose dimension she has now tricked Rachel into joining as we would later find out in the Excalibur one-shot.

(One day I will learn to make shorter summaries but since this whole thing was spread over three issues I might be forgiven in this case.)

Your turn Paladin.

It's a good summary stile, I'm not sure how to make it shorter.

I'm sure there was more nuance in the comic, but why did Wolverine want Rachel NOT to kill Selene?

and of course, Rachel would return later, as we see in Excalibur...

In this portrayal Logan was holding up the ethics of being an X-Man and a hero. He would and had killed others in a fight but he objected to Rachel hunting down and using her Phoenix powers to kill Selene as murder. He debated it with her but Rachel herself said the only way to stop her was to kill her. He seems to see it as the only way to save her from herself. At least these are the sort of arguments he uses to justify his actions to the other X-Men, many of whom are not quiet in their disagreement. Perhaps at the back of his mind he has already seen one person go down a dark path from using the Phoenix powers unwisely and does not want to see another do the same.

Sometimes Logan is portrayed as an almost unthinking killing machine closer to say the Punisher in outlook but Claremont usually wrote him with a much stronger moral core, often making him one of the centre's of the X-Men, not because of his fighting skill but because of that morality.

thanks stile, I thought it may have something to do with ethics. good summary there.

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Alrighty.... originally, the Invisible Girl only had the power of invisibility. How did the force field powers emerge? And against what foe did she first use them?

I have no idea but I am looking forward to the answer! I have always wondered about this ever since the Byrne story where Kristoff is brainwashed to think he is Doctor Doom and tries to kill the Fantastic Four in a similar way to the original DD had by sending the building in to space, only to fail because Sue now had her force field powers which she didn't originally.

Developed during her stint as Malice, and against ... um.. the guy holding a tablet with emotions listed on it... the Hatemonger?

I'm thnking the answer is a lot earlier than this, but memory cell hasn't got up yet.

did her powers emerge under pressure? like, to save her life against something?

That narrows down Sue's powers expanding to somewhere between FF # 6 (Doom hijacks the Baxter Building) and FF # 280 (Sue becomes Malice)!


No, they didn't emerge in a life-threatening situation. If you think about how a person in the FF's dynamic might explore their powers, this part is fairly easy.

It was a shorter gap, but this invisible force field pushed it apart...

I've read this in the last year, as well...

Is it Reed's doing, as a way of returning them all, especially Ben, to the way they were pre rocket launch?

Yes, much shorter.


Kinda. Reed was experimenting on her, theorizing that her invisibility was really a kind of energy projection. He was right!


So who was their foe later that issue?

I'm pretty sure that the first foe she used it against was the Mole Man.

Yes! It was him. In fact, it's ol' Moley's second-ever appearance in FF 22.

The issue opens with Sue sitting in one of Reed's contraptions as he tests his theory that her invisibility is actually a kind of energy manipulation that could have other uses. Early in the issue, she tests the new powers and some limits are defined, such as her not being able to be invisible while creating a force shield. She later uses the power to get them all out of one of Mole Man's traps.

As I conclude my reading of FF Omnibus Vol. 1, which happens to be the first time I've read most of these stories, I had been wondering when these powers would ever emerge. I had no firsthand knowledge but hoped it would be some time during the Lee/Kirby run. I didn't have to wait too long. Even after this upgrade, Sue was too often portrayed as the damsel in distress in these issues, but I like that this gave her more chances to be more than a bystander.

Good Q Paladin, and well done Chaim!

Great question and thanks for the info. I will have to try and get hold of that issue or reprint sometime.

An issue of Secret Origins featuring the origin stories of members of the Flash's Rogues Gallery used a framing sequence in which one of the Flash's enemies had amnesia and needed help to remember his or her true identity. Who did that amnesiac turn out to be?

Captain Cold?

Nope.

Heat Wave?

Not Cold, and also not Heat.

Mirror Master?

James Jesse, the Trickster?

Rainbow Raider?