Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! So, do you think Shikari made it into the new reality?

Hi, everyone!

My name is Mediocre Boy, aka Rob. I used to post over at the DC board but stopped doing so for some reason that is unknown even to myself. I must say that its nice to see some familiar posters here at Legion World, and that I look forward to interacting with other Legion fans again--regardless of whether or not I am familiar with you (hey, the only way to get to know others is to talk to them, right?).

Now, I realize that I wasn't here to discuss the first issues of the new reboot, but nonetheless, I'm just dying to ask you all: do you think that Shikari is going to appear in the new continuity, or do you think that her appearance in the last story from the previous continuity (ie. the transition story) is going to turn out to be a red herring?

Personally, I'd love it if she appeared and retained her knowledge of the other reality.

Do you think this should happen? And will it happen?

Just wondering.

I think she'll appear.

Not anytime soon, but it'll happen.

Not sure if that's a good idea or not. It may just depend on how it's done.

You're definitely right about Shikari's reintroduction needing to be handled just right, Outdoor Miner, regardless of whether or not she recalls the prior continuity. And I also agree that it won't happen soon in any event, since other plot developments are about to require the Legion's full attention.

Makes sense.

Waid and co. really need to establish the new world completely before bringing in something from the previous one.

Oh, I certainly hope not.

I wouldn't mind a Shikari appearance, but doubt it'll occur. WaK need to solidify and strengthen 'their' vision of the Legion before diluiting it with concepts from past versions...

shes there but I dont think we will see her for a bit. I think she is there get out of jail card if they want to go back. The Titans were ables to return to regular dc continuity from this altered verse sort of.

While I would love to see Shkari again, I hope it's a whil before we do. If she appears too soon, people will begin speculating that this new version is about to be "unbooted" and it will distract from the current success.

Hmmm...That's an interesting thought, Polar Boy, about Shikari being a literary escape hatch of sorts just in case this latest incarnation of the Legion fails to catch on.

I wonder how strong the sales are for the new book?

I love your icon, by the way. Was it hard to get your cat to stay in the outfit long enough to take the picture?

I think they'd be crazy to use her. It will just confuse everything, but if they didn't intend to use her at some point, she would've just faded into oblivion with the rest of the last boot Legion. SO! Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night.

Like others have said, I think she is there, but we won't see her anytime soon! WaK need to focus on this new Legion, not devote time to the previous 'boot.

And from what we've been hearing, sales have been pretty good! Some of the stats are in this thread, which also references this Newsarama thread ! All appears to be going quite well!

I have to say that I am still completly baffled as to why Waid and Johns included Shikari in the new reality. As others have said, it goes against EVERYTHING Waid says he is trying to do with the new Legion. While I thought Shikari was a good addition to the previous Legion, I don't think she was that interesting a character to preserve when everything else got wiped (or abandoned). I am forced to speculate that either 1) Johns really likes her and has plans for her in Titans, Crisis, etc. and/or 2) Waid really does want his new definitive Legion to someday confront the alternative realities that have interracted with the "present day" DC universe, perhaps as a way of demonstrating that the new Legion really is the true, definitive future of DC.

I've never understood this view. Why would they possibly include a "way out" to the previous version of the Legion, as unsuccessful as that was? If we ever truly go back, we'll go back to some version of the Legion that was genuinely popular, i.e. the Levitz era Legion.

Including Shikari as way to return to the previous incarnation of the Legion would be like including a way to get back to the Detroit era in case a new JLA book fails.

Clearly she's there for a reason, but this can't be it.

Not as a way out, but possibly as a way for Waid to establish the new LSH reality as the "true" one.

One of Shikari's favorite expressions was "I see the true path". Her power was not only finding paths to places, but to the truth of things. It helped her see past the illusions of Universo, for example. If she did land in the new LSH timestream, it might not have been by accident, but because her power led her to that dimension for a good reason, i.e., to find the "true" Legion reality (according to WaK).

Perhaps she was only a red herring after all but I'd like her to show up, if only to see her reaction to the reimagined Element Lad.

I've never run across such a take on Shikari's power before, Tromium. Given the fact that her power is magically derived, however, I suppose that it is possible. Moreover, such an additional facet to her power would have great dramatic potential, somewhat the like the spider-sense or comsic awareness possessed by those two other superheroes (who I decline to name here) over in the marvelverse.

It did happen in the TT/Legion Special. She left the reboot Legion hypertime and arrived on Earth - but one that was startlingly different than the one she knew. The next few pages give us a brief intro the new the Legion, particularly to Invisible Kid. We don't know what's happened to Shikari, but she's out there somewhere. One theory is that she founded the new Legion.

Hmmm...that's also a very interesting theory, ferro. There was no indication, after all, that Shikari hadn't arrived in the new reboot reality sometime before the formation of the Legion. In fact, this thoery makes me want to see her appear more than ever now!

I suspect she arrives at the same point when Lyle leaves home. Even tho there's nothing that directly says both pieces of the story happen at the same time, that's just my gut feeling.

That was my initial instinct, too, Kent, but ferro could be right. And wouldn't it be interesting if he were!

well....hmm...maybe she will be revamped as the new (old) Dawnstar...Id dig here return BIG TIME.
Besides her Tyroc, & Blok and the very end members (Magnetic Kid, tellus & Qusilet) were there any other legionnaires they never made it to the reboot in some form or another. don't think I ever thought aboutthis before...hmmmm....and btw...who says the city we see Shikari decending into is the one from this reality?
just a thought

scotty b

Pol made it to the reboot, just not as a Legionnaire. That Legion didn't really have time to do so anyway. It was probably 30 years before Cos retired, and the reboot Legion wasn't around long enough for that to happen.

Blok did sort of make it into reboot... JSA 51, a point in reboot further into the future than we've otherwise seen.

If you count Supergirl separate from Laurel, she barely connected with LSH- just an SG annual that co-starred Brainy.

Devlin and Celeste weren't rebooted.

Also, mercifully, The Khund Legionnaires from "Legion on the Run" days.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scottybones:
...who says the city we see Shikari descending into is the one from this reality?

I originally started this thread because I, too, was afraid that she may not have made it into the new Legion reality, either because her appearance in the introductory pre-series story was a deliberate "red-herring" plot development, or because later writers (or even the current ones) might potentially shy away from re-opening that particular "can of worms," as it were.

I suspect Waid had a solid idea regarding 'Kari' crossing over, or he wouldn't have used it. I can't see him undermining his own foundations without a good idea behind it.

maybe she is the real brains behind forming the legion. maybe she is pulling brainy's strings....

scotty b