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A little sumpin sumpin I'm working on...
#91413 10/10/03 03:28 PM
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The past couple of nights I've been pecking away at a new picture. I'm still way in the "pre production" stage of getting everything set up.

This time around, I'm doing a Dawnstar picture. Here's where I'm at now...

http://www.draub.net/albums/album15/dawny_preview03.jpg

http://www.draub.net/albums/album15/dawny_preview04.jpg

I took a few artistic liscense liberties so far...and will likely take a few more. Most notably, a majority of the reference pictures I have of her show her with blue eyes. I really wanted to give her a native american look, and changed them to brown.

The hard part's coming up....I have to find her a pair of boots, and try to figure out how I'm going to add the fringe to her uniform. Then it's time to put her in an interesting pose, and start thinking of a background.

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Wow! That's awesome, draub! Wait til Grey gets a look at it!


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#91416 10/11/03 12:12 AM
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She's looking really good, full of visual texture. (This is Poser, isn't it? It makes all textures a bit smoother than in "real life," but that seems to be integral to how it works.)

You might consider yet another layer of feathers, as her wings usually were shown as being a bit broader than you have them here. And especially if she's in flight, rather than standing.

As for her eyes, early depictions (including her listing in "Who's Who in the DCU") had them as blue, later ones (including "Who's Who in the LSH") had them as brown. I'd say brown works better for her coloring and outfit.

Few remember that Dawny didn't have an explicit Indian heritage for the first year, until her origin story in "SLSH" 240. Since she did gain one, though, that would also suggest brown.

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#91417 10/11/03 07:01 AM
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Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

Good insight on Dawny's change(s) over the years. I wasn't aware that she didn't start off with an obvious Native American background.

Yes, I'm using Poser for this. I hear you on it flattening things out. Much of that is the technique I'm using to add the clothing to her. There are clothing models that I could purchase and do some transparency mapping for, but even that has it's limitations.

Once I have the final raw render, I'll have to do some photoshop magic to make the clothing appear as if it's got some thickness to it. I'm going to also play with the option of doing bump mapping (which may help...I'm not used to going that route...so another adventure to add to the mix).

Even now, I'm *STILL* not sure how I'm going to pull off the fringe for her uniform. I almost took the easy way out and went for the "this is what her new uniform will look like", but I'd rather do her traditional look first. More of a challenge. laugh

Now as for the setting...I must admit that I know very little of Starhaven. I was thinking of putting her in that environment, but because I have no good reference pictures it's all going to be based on imagination.

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Those are so cool! I love when Legionnaire art is done in a new/different way....

I like the way you've done her face.

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Thanks, Dean for the words of support. You guys have no idea how much your kind words have motivated me on this one. wink

Here's a quick update. Played with the uniform a little more. There were some "jaggy" areas which I smoothed out, and got rid of the annoying portion around the neck (now the uniform looks like it continues to the back instead of just stopping halfway through the neck). I then added some bump to make the uniform stick out from the clothing. It's not quite enough but will be invaluable in the last stage as a reference to the lighting. I may tweak it out a little bit more (in particular, the two straps on the leg, I want them to cross closer to the front), but for the most part I'm done with that part.

http://www.draub.net/albums/album15/dawny_preview05.jpg

On the wingspan, I don't know if the previous images were the best indication of them, so here's a shot from the direct front:

http://www.draub.net/albums/album15/dawny_preview06.jpg

I think I figured out the best way to do the fring on the uniform, but that will have to come later....have a pig roast to go to. laugh

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#91420 10/11/03 11:23 AM
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The best Starhaven visual reference is the story about the end of Dawnstar's vision quest, in "LSH" v2 n311. Gene Colan's renderings of a temple and of her parents' home are a bit sketchy, but it's more detail than is shown anywhere else.

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#91421 10/12/03 05:18 AM
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I'm always immpressed by your 3-D images draub!

Thanks for letting us in on the process. smile

This one's looking good! Nice job!

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#91422 10/13/03 07:05 AM
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Hopefully I'll be able to do this one justice in the end. I have a bad habit of not keeping track myself of how I go about things...hopefully by blabbering on "step by step" as I work on it, I can get a streamlined jump on future images. smile

Okay, here's what I got done yesterday and this morning. Yesterday I played around with making 3D meshes for the fringe of her uniform. However, after sleeping on it, I decided not to use them. It will be a lot easier for me to draw them in during the final stage than it would be to get them to convey an accurate sense of motion.

So this morning, I decided to move on. Added the base material for her boots and made her foot more bootlike. You can still see the toes, but that's a quick fix later on. I then started working on her pose for the final image.

http://www.draub.net/albums/album15/dawny_preview07.jpg

I used an arms by the sides flying pose. For some reason, I think those look more elegant, not to mention faster.

One last thing...I've also decided that I don't want her to be alone for this image. I'm going to have at least one other Legionnaire in the picture with her...perhaps more depending on how "antsy" I get later on in the process.

The next character will be a little more challenging. What better person to add to the scene than....Wildfire. laugh

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#91423 10/19/03 06:02 PM
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Beautiful picture! I love the wings. Hope you continue to work on her outfit. It needs to look as if it's actually made of some type of fabric.

Otherwise, you really got skills!

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#91424 10/19/03 07:18 PM
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Awesome stuff...

(Although it makes me painfully aware of his ill-suited Illustrator is for this kind of stuff compared to programs like Poser or 3DS Max. Sigh - time to learn a new program, I suppose... frown )


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#91425 10/20/03 07:09 AM
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The next character will be a little more challenging. What better person to add to the scene than....Wildfire. laugh
Yeah, baby! Can't wait to see what you do with ol' Drake. Dawny looks really good -- good luck figuring out how to add the fringe on her outfit.

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#91426 10/20/03 01:41 PM
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Nice work Dan! and interesting how it develops.

You should post the one you did of Vi & Cham in Mordru's library - that one was very cool too.


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Very nice! I wish I'd seen this earlier. smile

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#91428 10/08/04 01:02 AM
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I wondered, a year later, if Dan had ever found an opportunity to finish this ... especially after I ran across the previous stages, which I'd saved, in my files.

It's a lovely 3D render, and it would be visually exciting to see it finished, with or without the addition of Wildfire.


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