Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Mordu, the Trapper, the Legion and GLs

I would rather have the motto "hey, its a 1000 years in the future, things change" to explain absence of the GLC and New Gods. Maybe the GLC is weakened and less, maybe they just avoid Earth, maybe their mission has changed. I wouldn't mind mentioning them, but involving them too much raises too many questions (like where were they during such and such crisis, etc.) so rather keep them on the sideline. Still out there, but not interfering with Earth (after all, Earth is on the edge of the Galaxy, maybe the GLC is needed elsewhere).

I don't want them involved but explain why they are not around. the legion basically replaces them it seems.

It wouldn't be bad to show a handful of GLs whenever you have something like GDS and everyone else is featured I think.

And it's not just the GLs themselves, but all the planets/races featured in GL. How big is the U.P. compared to one of the GL's sectors, for example?

I assumed it would be most of the sectors.

But yeah, I agree, limited GL involvement is prefered, though the cult idea already mentioned is pretty cool. Something else else that would increase the stories would be beneficial.

To address your point about the origin, HWW--an arguement could be made that if the Trapper put the Legionnaires 'in the right place at the right time' and they made their own decisions heroically (as the Trapper knew they would), it doesn't hinder their actions or the Legion's origin at all. In fact, I support that arguement 100%. But I get what you're saying, if you step back from the actual continuity a bit and keep the origin for what it is, uninfluenced by outside forces or stories but a classic example of heroism.

I like the cult idea also btw.

It was after Emerald Twilight, I don't know which version of the reboot Legion it was but I remember Oa being mentioned in the Legion, it was said Oa was, the "Most Dangerous Place in the Universe" somehow the Universo Rond Vidar version was replaced w/ some mystery. They never followed up on it though. DC left it open since at the time there wasn't any Corps or any Guardians but I thought it would have been cooled to be expanded on. I imagined Parallax, the Hal Jordan version sitting on a throne mayhaps replacing Highfather as the counter part to Darkseid in the future to keep him in check, after the Great Darkness Saga as leader of his version of the Green Lantern Corps.

I don't know ... if the Time Trapper "knew" they were going to behave a certain way, then where is personal choice involved?

Interestingly, the idea you propose is similar to certain concepts of God. In other words, God puts certain desires in our hearts for a reason. God arranges things to make His plans for our lives come true, etc. We can, of course, exercise our free will and say no to God, and thereby miss out on his blessings (or even, as some believe, sin). (See Joel Osteen's book, Your Best Life Now, for an example of this theology.)

Of course, this idea relies on people acknowledging that God exists and acting on inspiration or impulses from Him. The Time Trapper, on the other hand, would be a totally hidden deity with enormous powers of manipulation. This means that he had to put a desire in Imra Ardeen's heart to go to earth and join the Science Police. It means he put a desire in Mekt Ranzz's heart to run away from home, and for Garth to go looking for him. It means he engineered the depression on Braal, so Rokk Krinn would have to leave home in order to find work. And it means he arranged for Rokk, Imra, and Garth to be on the same flight and to disembark at precisely the right moment in order to save Brande. (To say nothing of manipulating Brande, Brande's nephew, Doyle, the goons Doyle hired, and possibly even the pilot and other passengers on the space transport.)

I suppose all of this is plausible. I'm still not sure, though, how personal choice is involved if the Legionnaires never knew they had a choice to begin with. (How can you say no to a god you don't know exists?) But it also makes the Time Trapper virtually unbeatable, as he can manipulate emotions, thoughts, desires, planetary economies, and travel schedules in addition to time.

This post reminds me of the aftermant to the Universo Project, where Imra and Tellus are escorting the unconsious Vidar to prison. She learns that Vidar intended to create an army to attack Oa.

Tellus asks about Oa, apparently unfamiliar with it, and Imra replies cryptically about it as a dangerous place. Levitz may have been simply referring back to Imra's "Origin of the Universe File" story, but that one line inspired my take on the dangerous cult GLC I previosuly described.

I personally don't think every element of continuity between 21st and 31st need explanation; to me it just leaves 31st vulnerable to the rest of the DCU. Had there been tighter LSH/DCU ties, for instance, each time Hal Jordan/Paralax/Sinestro/whoever "forever" altered/destroyed/changed the GLC, the powers that be would demand that LSH would have to change its own continuity (think Mordruverse) even though those changes could (and would) be unwoven in a few short years.

With my GLC-cult idea, readers would never learn exactly what transpired, or they might get several contradictory versions of the story.

And that is fine. I will take cryptic/contradictory /rumors as to why the GL isn't around.

As for differences between the 21st and 31st centuries? Well and then we have Superboy. In my opinion the Green Lantern and Flash mythos fits the Legion better. Not saying we should have direct contact but some elements would be nice. The Legion doesn't have to be connected to just Superman.

In fact, the Silver Age Legion had ties to other 20th century DC heroes:

-- In ADV # 341, the Legion visits the long-deserted Batcave.

-- In ADV # 373, Don and Dawn Allen, "the Tornado Twins" are revealed to be descendents of the Flash.

I'm comfortable with only a few such elements popping up in Legion stories; if there are too many, it stretches the bounds of credibility, as happened on Star Trek, when Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scotty all showed up independently in the 24th century.

I also like the cult idea, like Kent said, it leaves things open for the GLC to change without every actually affecting the Legionverse. Readers wouldn't know if ET, or Sinestro Wars, or anything else caused it, just that between now and the future something did.

I also think having some things to tie back to the current DCU is fine, but I have to say, the issue where the Legion stops the killer who was killing descendants of JLA member came across as too hokey for me, it just seemed contrived.

The Flash mythos works ok, because you have Barry traveling to the future (a lot) but I think any other non-time travelling heroes should be kept away from the Legion, and the mythos shouldn't be too intertwined. The last thing any of us want is for some event in the current DCU to undo something in the Legion's time, after all, a thousand years is a long time.