Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Reboot was right

Yes true. But at least it mostly stuck to the program. Garth until DNA came along was still Garth. As was Imra, Rokk, Triad, Brainy, Violet, Ayla etc.

There were a few changes but overall, really, not that many.

I feel nothing for the MaK era Legion. Who are these people? Why do I care? There's been no characterisation either.

Is there even Interlac in this world?

They threw out a lot of what makes the Legion great for me. Where as reboot, I feel, was just a different slant on things

wak is wak.

Sensor!
The Bride of Mordru!
Dark Circle Rising!
Foundations!
Wussy Ferro!

All gone!

Teen Ghost Marriages!
Missing Third Bodies that No One Bothers to Look For!
Space Nuns!

All gone!

And, ooooooh, lest I forget

Acid Spit!

Gone!

That one may not be gone. Well atleast Phase may not be gone. doh!

I respect that Kent and Reboot prefer the past series. I still miss the post-ZH Legion myself, especially Zoe, XS, Gates, and even Monstress, Kari and Jaz. But I am excited with the threeboot, and the pace doesn't bother me too much. I still liked the post-ZH Legion better, but I'm learning to live with the current one.

Btw, I actually liked the Mordru story in the reboot. But I do agree re Foundations and Dark Circle Rising. And Terrorform Zoe!

Also:

Lori Morning!
M'Onel getting taken out way too easily! (versus the Fatal Five on Tenazor-4; versus Mordru; versus Lord Pernisius, to name just a few. )
Panel-hogging characters who, unlike the current Cos and Brainy, don't serve a bigger purpose by hogging the panels! (Jaz, Jo and Imra were DnA's worst panel hogs, IMHO).
Cub!
Ra's al Ghul on LW and all the horrible inconsistencies and unresolved plot threads stemming from that. (Ra's took Terrorform Zoe out by tossing an exploding gun at her, when we've seen her survive in space unaided?? Star Boy and M'On being too slow to take out a bunch of mindless Ra's clones and allowing Ra's to escape after he'd inhabited a new clone body?? And Ra's deciding to stay on LW!?)

All gone!

I'm anticipating each episode more and more! By the end of the DNA run I was embarrassed to buy the as it seemed filled with big bright splash pages, nonsense unresolved plot twists, unrealistic character actions (Brainy kissing Lyle - what was that about? etc) and panel hogs who just didn't appeal to me (Jaz and Imra).

So this run isn't speedy gonzales, so what? This is the first time since the Five Year Gap stories that the Legion has made me think about what's happening - I think that by issue 12 we'll be happy at the depth of characters and foundations laid out of this new interpretation of the future as the big picture is laid out fully for us.

I say "more, more, more!!!" to it

But that's just my opinion.

Bxx

You all need to understand that the title of this thread is a truism ....

Reboot rightness is a part of being Scottish ... the one follows the other.

But this Scot actually is very enthusiastic about the new imagining of the Legion. But I'm old and find the pace of the series suits my mental processes ... it has more the feel of a novel.

I enjoyed the first 7 issues of DnA's Legion relaunch waaaay more than the first 7 issues of WaK's reboot.

Waid seems to have forgotten that scintillating action, adventure and romance was the bedrock of the Legion's historical success. The travesty that was the TMK era is proof enough that socio-political themes do not constitute the right formula for this book. I really think they've started off on the left foot, especially with adults vs. kids premise. The idea of a Legion civil war is fine and dandy, but it should have been wrapped up in six issues rather than becoming one of the central threads of the series. I keep wondering when the "real" Legion stories will begin.

That said, it was Dan Didio's mandate to Waid to re-reboot the franchise, so there was probably *zero* chance of avoiding radical change, particularly in light of the universe-altering events to be wrought by Infinite Crisis. If it hadn't been rebooted by WaK, TPTB would have handed the job to another team. Judging by her tepid and pointless FNBR arc last year, a revamp done by Simone (who was briefly slated as writer before Waid stepped back in) could very well have sunk the ship. At least Waid is keeping it afloat.

I'm actually enjoying the threeboot very much.

And I liked lots of parts of the Reboot, although I felt a large portion of it was utter crap and things were done very wrong.

I like the Legion as is--but neither era can compare to the preboot

(Jeepers Eryk! 'Sneckie' is all you hadda say!)

And Pov and Cru--

Okay, someone pointed out to me what PMS was (Peyer, McCraw and Stern) but what the frag is TMK????

TomMaryKeith: The Bierbaums and Giffen, who were behind the Five Year Gap Legion, just prior to the initial reboot.

But... but... that's what made it cool! Right?

I like a lot of the 3boot, and I'm glad to be free of a lot of the crap from the last boot, as other have said, but the whole kids vs. adults theme really bugs me. The idea that adults are evil and a bunch of young kids who think they know everything but haven't lived long enough to know jack is trite and tired and just plain dumb.

And why is it that the UP supports the Legion? Isn't the UP's rule what the Legion is rebelling against? Why would the UP support them with the way Cosmic Boy keeps mouthing off to them and hanging up on them and disobeying direct orders from them anyway?

P.S. Thank God Gail Simone isn't the writer on the 3boot. I thought her 4-part filler story was just plain awful.

If the storyline were really a matter of the good kids versus the evil adults, I'd agree that it was particularly annoying. But I think Waid has done a good job of making it clear that this is only a misperception, and the fact there is such a pervasive misperception of that sort about the genuine import of the events among many of the protagonists adds a nice layer of complexity to the storyline. That said, I'll be much happier once the Legion begins to realize the adults aren't all that bad.

Can I plead the fifth there Eryk?

Jim, I think there's going to be a big reveal soon that will explain the inconsistencies we've seen so far - like the UP/Legion relationship and why the Legionnaires don't really seem to know each other? I assume an arch schemer like Lemnos who tampers with memories will be responsible but am waiting to find out.

Got to be said that Batista's art was lush though, I missed that once he'd finished his run.

And the corollary to EDE's point is at the same time the adults will realize that their kids aren't anarchists bent on destroying all the good things that they've provided.

Or Too Much Killing... or was that Torture, Mutilate, Kill?

I love it when my point's have corllaries! It makes me feel so Spinozistic!

Thank you; that sums it up better than I said previously.

I'm not saying I don't like WaK; just that it pales to DnA, at least in their heyday (Lost 1 to Legion 14-ish). To be fair, early WaK should be compared to early DnA; not late DnA.

Comparing the energy of LLost 1-7 vs WaK 1-7, DnA certainly hold the high ground.

EDE, mixing Archie in doesn't deflate the great things of the DnA era.

As a fan of TMK, I CAN appreciate taking the long way to build a story; and I concede by next year I may do another about-face. BUT right now; the thrill is gone... already... after only 1/2 a year.

DnA's magic drew me back to LSH fandom; if I were just coming back in, I doubt I'd be hanging around for the new book.

WaK are doing okay; I still like the book, but I'm not luvin it.

I agree with the first sentence totally; that stretch (apart from some of the weaker Legion Worlds stories) was right up there with the very best Legion runs EVER.

However, it's far more apt to compare WaK with late DnA, because the latter is the Legion we were stuck with. And I, for one, was rapidly growing to hate it. Comparing early DnA with the latter half of the series is like night and day in its quality.

I'm mostly loving Waid's take on the Legion, although it really is moving too slowly at this point. It's not as bad as Hudlin's Black Panther (now *there's* a far more apt candidate for Reboot's tomato analogy), but there's plenty of room for improvement.

Whereas the series started with a pair of strong "done-in-one" stories, lately it's been waffling between wanting to tell single-issue tales and the year-long meta-arc that Waid's been building to...#s 4 and esp. 6 are the main offenders in this regard. Perhaps it was just a bridging factor to what appears to be a more focused, classical arc story structure for the second half of year one.