Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Green Lanterns, Darkstars and the Legion?

I know when the Darkstars came around suddenly they were used to plug many Crisis holes or possibly just over used (in hindsight).

Geoff Johns has brought back the good old favorite parts of the GL mythos. Frankly Engleheart's GL stufff is the only GL stuff I've liked. Basically the Corps is very Legion like.

Controllers IMO are part of the Legion mythos. Darkstars, Manhunters, GLs are all elements I wouldn't mind having in the Legion. The GLs were in past continuities were banned from Earth but with the Darkstars around don't they just make the GLs look as the nice guys?

So what to do? Lots of us want a GL in the Legion (VIDAR!!!) or someone brand new. Should the Legion have a GL? Or maybe flip the switch and have a Darkstar? Should Darkstars be somewhat villains and occassional allies?

The Darkstars idea can be used by Waid/Kitson and probably streamlined into whatever they please since from what I know none of it is being used in the 21st century?

Any thoughts?

"Frankly Englehart's GL stufff is the only GL stuff I've liked."

Refreshing to hear someone else say that. Steve read EVERY issue of GL before he wrote his 1st, so he'd know what he was doing. In a few months, he cleared up the previously-inconsistent psychological profile of Carol Ferris, had Hal come to terms with it all, and allowed him, for the first time, to move on. Then he reconfigured the GLC and put together a cool team of GLs to operate from Earth. I loved what he was doing.

What disappointed me in the extreme was just how QUICKLY things began to dissolve once the group had been put together. Members, leaving, being killed, etc. Then they lost their regular artist, you had one of the most drawn-out-to-extremes and unreadable company-wide-crossovers ever, GLC lost their book, and then things REALLY went completely to hell once GL got shoved into ACTION COMICS WEEKLY.

What is it with comics... can't anybody "build" something up without someone else having to "tear it all down" a few months later?

I always dug Gerard Jones's time working on GL. I love a big and varied corps. I also enjoyed Darkstars during their run. I'm all for Legion having a connection to either organization.

Manhunters seem to be a stretch, though...have they showed up for the last decade or so? I dropped out of reading the DCU for the last 10 years, so I don't know if they've reappeared.

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Matter-Eat Lad I wouldn't want the Manhunters either.

Darkstars and Green Lanterns! Now that would be fun!

Funny about the Manhunters... Archie Goodwin & Walt Simonson did a sequel to the Golden Age series as a back-up in DETECTIVE COMICS. Not long after, Jack Kirby ALSO did a sequel to the Golden Age series... except his story and Goodwin's didn't seem to be connected in any way. When Steve Englehart took over the JLA (for a year), one of the 1st things he did was a sequel to the Jack Kirby one-shot!

Of course, then Steve had to ruin it by doing the MILLENNIUM "thing". AUGH!!! After that, I never wanted to read another "Manhunter" story ever again!!!

And let's not forget how horrible the "kill two birds with one stone" Manhunter/Laurel Kent thing was in the Legion??? blah!

A superchick with black hair (not a blond) is just sexy man!!! Right before Dirk got some she went all Manhunter...in a bad way!

Incidentally, the last three Darkstars (to my knowledge) just died over in the ADAM STRANGE miniseries.

In a remarkably unimpressive scene where they first tried energy-blasting an energy vampire (didn't work), then energy-draining the energy vampire and storing the energy in their own armor (didn't work, since he was eating entire suns and whatnot--brilliant idea, Vril Dox) and then they overloaded and exploded.

Ferrin Colos' last words were "remember us," but as far as I could tell no one said a word about it for the rest of the comic. And this was the last book in the series, too.

I'm not even a long-time fan of the Darkstars, but I still think they got the short end of the stick there.

Maybe they will be remembered in the Legion. But please with some new costumes not that 1990s busy mess.

The ridiculously rushed "Hi we're the Darkstars. Oh God we're all getting killed off. Remember us." ... "Who?" scene in Adam Strange was definitely the lowest point in an otherwise great series.

I don't know, I thought it was sadly appropriate. The Darkstars always struck me as DC's attempt to make the GL Corps hip and fresh for the nineties. I generally found them rather forgettable, so seeing them die and be instantly forgotten was quite in line with my perception of them.

A Green Lantern in the core team can be great, the perfect choice is Rond Vidar, of course.
And for the Darkstar's place a new re-imaginated Celeste Rockfish could'been very nice.

I was never wild about the Darkstars, meself.

I also regret the Oa/Controllers link. Yes, it makes sense at the time in MW's effort to streamline the universe, but I think there's something to be said for loose ends and mysteries - the 30/31st centuries shouldn't be rigidly joined the the hip with 20/21.

Imagine, instead of the 30th C GLs/Guardians we've seen:

The few GLs left are regarded as throwbacks, religous fanatics to the essentially mythical and long-absent Guardians. Did Oa vanish, was it destroyed, is it cloaked, or was it never really there? Did the Controllers supplant/destroy the Guardians? Evolve from them? or just fill an empty niche?

Every definitive link to 20/21 is just asking for it, given the was 20/21 "continuity" changes, or undergoes the GL ups and downs you all have discussed.

Doesn't the Guardians/Controllers link far predate Waid?

Also, have you been reading GL:Rebirth Kent? The Guardians are suddenly rather less absent.

But I do agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment about links between our time and the Legion's: the fewer there are, the better it is for the team.

I believe MW = Marv Wolfman.

correct. sorry for any confusion, DL.

Haven't read it. I used to be a huge Hal fan, but the Emerald Yawn era put me off of that... just as well, considering all that followed.

Other than LSH, I've given up on the DCU for ongoing books; I'll catch the occassional mini or TPB. I refuse to reinvest myself into caring about what what idiocy gets perpetrated to characters I care(d) about.

In other words, I may follow Rebirth once the trade(s) is(are) out.

I kinda like Kent's suggestion. Not necessarily the "religious fanatic" perception (although with this new U.P., they might have that attitude), but the notion that the GL's are remnants or relics from the past who have become somewhat arcane. It made me think of how TMK treated the GL power before it hit Celeste (and kinda got pushed to the side).

Having the GL's seen in such a way does something important - which is that it removes them from direct competition with the Legion as a shining example of interspecies cooperation and modern altruism.

I wouldn't want a GL to be on the team, but a sometimes ally, or even antagonist (but not in an evil way) would be cool.

"I refuse to reinvest myself into caring about what what idiocy gets perpetrated to characters I care(d) about."

Words to live by!!! I pretty much gave up on Marvel Comics because of characters being abused by bad writers, editors, etc. Lately, the same thing has been happening to me with DC. Particular books, characters and creators I continue to follow... but the list is shrinking. I don't mind, really. I enjoy what I do buy more this way, and I have mnore time to enjoy my collection, most of which has only been read once-- ever!

I also think the less links the Legion have the better but darn it Green Lanterns and Darkstars are cool! And kinda fit in...atleast much better than Kryptonians and magic. doh!

I'd rather see the 31st century Atlantis, Themyscira and Thanagar (oops! Thanagrann?) explored than the GL corps of the future.

A GL ally, possibly an opponent first? That could be OK.

Well truth to tell Mystery Lad i wouldn't mind those places either.