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In the letter pages of v3 #36, Paul Levitz used the term "retroactive continuity". Had anybody else previously used that term?

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From The Jargon Dictionary:

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retcon /ret'kon/ [short for `retroactive continuity', from the Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.comics] 1. n. The common situation in pulp fiction (esp. comics or soap operas) where a new story `reveals' things about events in previous stories, usually leaving the `facts' the same (thus preserving continuity) while completely changing their interpretation. For example, revealing that a whole season of "Dallas" was a dream was a retcon. 2. vt. To write such a story about a character or fictitious object. "Byrne has retconned Superman's cape so that it is no longer unbreakable." "Marvelman's old adventures were retconned into synthetic dreams." "Swamp Thing was retconned from a transformed person into a sentient vegetable." "Darth Vader was retconned into Luke Skywalker's father in "The Empire Strikes Back".
[This term is included because it is a good example of hackish linguistic innovation in a field completely unrelated to computers. The word `retcon' will probably spread through comics fandom and lose its association with hackerdom within a couple of years; for the record, it started here. --ESR]

[1993 update: some comics fans on the net now claim that retcon was independently in use in comics fandom before rec.arts.comics. In lexicography, nothing is ever simple. --ESR]

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Supposedly, there are known citations of "retcon" in fandom dating as far back as 1981.

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Thanks, PB.
Gee, I thought we "comic geeks" invented it.
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I've always heard that the term was invented by Roy Thomas, writer and later editor of Marvel Comics in the '60s-70s.


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And interesting description of the term from Wikipedia :

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Retcon is a contraction of the term "retroactive continuity." It describes the act of changing previously-established details of a fictional setting, often without providing an explanation within the context of the setting for the changes.

Retconning is common within the fictional universes of comic books, especially those of large shared comic book houses such as Marvel Comics and DC Comics, due to the lengthy history of publishing and the large number of independent authors contributing to their development. Retconning also occurs in television shows, radio series, and series of books.

Some forms of retconning do not directly contradict previously-established facts, but instead retroactively "fill in" missing background details necessary for current plot points.

Retroactive continuity is similar to, but not exactly the same as, plot inconsistencies introduced inadvertently; retconning is usually done deliberately. Unpopular retcons are often unofficially combatted through the judicious use of Krypto-Revisionism; this is the phenomenon of a fan base deciding to ignore a particular retcon.

While retconning was usually done in the past without explanation, DC Comics has on rare occasions promoted special events dedicated to retroactively rewriting the history of the DC Comics universe. The most important and well known such event was the mini-series Crisis on Infinite Earths; this was a profound change that allowed for wholesale revisions of their characters. A second major retcon in DC Comics was in a similar event called Zero Hour.

Retconning has occured a numberof times in the history of the Star Trek universe. The various Star Trek television series and movies were produced over many decades, with multiple writers and producers. In both cases significant amounts of time, effort, pages and film have been used by later writers to explain or qualify apparent inconsistencies from previous stories.

Examples of retconning:


Erasing an entire season of the soap opera Dallas, as one character's dream.
Frasier Crane's father being a living ex-cop on Frasier instead of a dead research scientist as stated in Cheers.
Differences in the appearance of Klingons between the original Star Trek series and the movies and later series.
Sometimes writers introduce dialogue and plotlines that explicitly address, or allude to, the discrepancies. When done correctly, changes can be explained away within the current continuity of the series. This is the case for the examples above for Buffy, and for Star Trek.

When Star Trek: The Motion Picture was first released, Gene Roddenberry and others associated with the show stated that this was how Klingons were always supposed to have looked; they simply did not have the make-up budget to do this on the original 1960s television series. As such, viewers were asked to overlook this difference, and act as if Klingons had always had forehead ridges. This is an example of strong retconning. However, an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, produced in the 1990s, explicitly addresses the fact that Klingons in the 22rd century did not have forehead ridges; this fact was acknowledged within the continuity of the show itself. Commander Worf, a Klingon, addresses the fact, admitting within the context of the show that at least some Klingons did at one time not possess forehead ridges. When asked why, Worf showed significant embarassment, and simply stated "It is not something we like to talk about." While the scene was played for humourous effect, the show clearly introduced a new retcon that effectively tied together previous and current show continuity - At least some Klingons did not have forehead ridges, for a reason that modern Klingons now consider embarassing. (Many fan theories have been proposed.)

A plot thread in the fifth season of the television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer played with the idea of the retcon. At the end of the first episode of the season, Buffy meets a girl who she recognises (and, in subsequent episodes, everyone else also recognises) as her younger sister Dawn — despite the established fact, reiterated earlier in the same episode, that Buffy is an only child. It is eventually explained that Dawn's arrival in the first episode of the season was accompanied by a magic spell that changed people's memories and altered reality to provide apparent evidence (family photos, etc.) that Dawn had been around for years. The result is something that looks a lot like a retcon but isn't actually, because there is no change in the established facts of the series (ie. it remained an established fact that Buffy had not had a sister in the previous four-seasons-and-most-of-one-episode).

Inconsistances often come up in the Star Wars universe, ussually between the Expanded Universe and the films.

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Retcon is a contraction of the term "retroactive continuity." It describes the act of changing previously-established details of a fictional setting, often without providing an explanation within the context of the setting for the changes.

Some forms of retconning do not directly contradict previously-established facts, but instead retroactively "fill in" missing background details necessary for current plot points.
Thanks LL.

That raises an important point in the Levitz use of "retroactive continuity".

He said "More philosophically though, we enjoy doing retroactive continuity (italics added) that adds entire stories to series in places where the fit... But we don't feel comfortable taking other writer's stories and rewriting them to include scenes or plot threads that weren't there."

It sounds like Levitz was referring to the latter, not the now common retcon to change the past.

Just my take on it.

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