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#77339 06/18/09 08:45 PM
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I'm going to the Wizard World Philly Convention on Saturday, and will be attending the DC Nation Panel hosted by Dan DiDio.

As they usually have a Q & A at the end, is there any Legion-y question that you guys are just dying to ask him?

I'm hereby volunteering to be the mouthpiece for one lucky contestant (chosen at random), and will report back with your answer.

#77340 06/18/09 08:49 PM
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Do Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl still have a son?

#77341 06/18/09 10:38 PM
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What would DC do if Geoff Johns left?


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#77342 06/19/09 02:25 AM
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Either

What was Busiek's idea for a Legion series

or

how long will Adventure Comics have a Legion back up befor a decision is made to either scrap it or give the Legion its own series


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#77343 06/19/09 06:07 AM
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What of Cub?

#77344 06/19/09 06:42 AM
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cant we have 3 legion books about the different legions.


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#77345 06/19/09 06:44 AM
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What of the Pre-Crisis Supergirl/Legion connection?

What of Dev-em and Laurel Kent?

Bring back Val Armorr!


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#77346 06/19/09 12:28 PM
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Is R.E.B.E.L.S. DC's solution to the Legion 'problem' because it fits 'better' into DC continuity, and will the traditional Legion characters become Superman Family guest characters from now on?


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#77347 06/19/09 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Arm Fall Off Boy:
What would DC do if Geoff Johns left?
They would probably just let whatever the next writer wants to do. Which is a mistake!


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Originally posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire:
What of the Pre-Crisis Supergirl/Legion connection?

What of Dev-em and Laurel Kent?

Bring back Val Armorr!
They may have already scarred Dev-Em forever. With the 52 Dev-Em and the criminal 21st century Dev-Em.

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What makes you think you're qualified for your job, and how long must we wait before you get sacked?

(Note: it may not be a good idea to actually ask this.)


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#77349 06/20/09 01:34 AM
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It's probably past the cut-off time for questions, but I would like to know what the criteria would be for the Legion to get its own comic. Fan support? Sales of the Adventure book? Gut feeling? A creator begging to do the book?


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#77350 06/20/09 06:56 AM
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OK... heading out... let's just fire up the Planetary Chance Machine (AKA a random number generator) and see who the lucky winner is...


Well... the last shall become the first... Fat Cramer! (though personally I loved Tim Drake's question wink )

OK, FC, I'll try to pose that to DiDio today, though if past performance is an indicator, he tends to be a slippery one.

#77351 06/20/09 04:46 PM
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...aaaaaand I'm back.

Wow, what a boring convention. Hardly any DC presence, and very few creators whose names I even recognized. I did pick up a slew of back issues in the quarter bins, though, and had a very nice lunch w/ Shark Lad, so I'll mark those in the win column.

DC Nation. Just a vicious panel at times. Philly is known for being outspoken, and people there made no bones about letting DiDio know how much they thought certain titles "sucked".

Anyway, I did ask Fat Cramer's question, and was told that fan support is essential to bringing the Legion back to the forefront. DiDio likened this period to the post Adventure period, where the Legion played backup to Superboy until enough noise was made to give them their own title. He said that although he always sees the Legion as having a presence in the DCU, this "second feature" status will continue for a period. I followed up, asking how long he anticipated that period being and he said... very discouragingly... "could be a year, could be infinity".

Someone else asked about Legion of 3 Worlds, and he said that if you like Conner Kent, you'll love LO3W #5. mad

Not directly Legion-y, but someone asked about the severely delayed Ambush Bug #6, and DiDio got, to my eyes at least, somewhat evasive, saying that it will be out soon, as soon as the "dialogue changes" are made. Hmmmmm....

All in all, not a very positive panel for this Legion fan. Although I can somewhat understand the approach of slowly building a new fan base with the backups, I just hope that their strategy pays off.

#77352 06/20/09 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Exnihil:
...aaaaaand I'm back.
Anyway, I did ask Fat Cramer's question, and was told that fan support is essential to bringing the Legion back to the forefront. DiDio likened this period to the post Adventure period, where the Legion played backup to Superboy until enough noise was made to give them their own title.
Well, if that's not a call to arms I don't know what is.

Do today's fans have enough passion to make the same 'noise'? A better question might be if there's any possible way to get enough unity to make the *same* noise?

I know I've been waiting to see what the Legion looks like at the end of Three Worlds... I'm really hoping that the nature of the team(s) and setting(s) left standing by that series' last panel will be something that can somehow unite the Legion's very fractured fandom.

Start thinking of creative ways to make that 'noise' for DC's ears...

#77353 06/20/09 06:08 PM
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I'm curious- just what books did the outspoken Philadelphia fans thought 'sucked'?

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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
I'm curious- just what books did the outspoken Philadelphia fans thought 'sucked'?
Yeah, me too.

Here's a suggestion - everyone sends a small snipit of Fan-created story or drawings of Legion to a specific (single) website. No criticisms or comments of any kind, just an obvious Legion piece, as many times a week as possible. If nothing else DC may accumulate enough material for a Legion Special sometime soon! Any suggestions on a proper website of TPTB?


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#77355 06/20/09 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
I'm curious- just what books did the outspoken Philadelphia fans thought 'sucked'?
Let's see... and forgive me in advance if I'm misquoting, but I remember a big exchange about dislike for "Battle for the Cowl". Someone asked about what the whole point of "Trinity" was. There was criticism about plotlines being the result of editorial mandate, to which someone replied that they felt it was actually DiDio's mandate. DiDio spun it into a joke, saying that when readers like something they credit the writer, but when they dislike it, they blame him.

I don't want to paint it as just a compliant-fest, though. There was a lot of support for the Green Lantern titles and Tiny Titans, and a lot of excitement about "Wednesday Comics," among others. I would say, though, that it was a very raucous crowd. Somebody at one point made a comment to which someone else yelled "shut up". I love my city. smile

#77356 06/20/09 08:04 PM
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I actually met Didio and shook hands with the man and my hand didn't wither and blacken, so, he's okay in my book.

#77357 06/20/09 08:39 PM
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Yes, but can you still have kids? hmmm


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#77358 06/20/09 09:19 PM
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Isn't that what adoption is for?

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You guys I have to be honest, but I don't really know WHY I shouldn't like Dan Didio. Can someone remind me?

#77360 06/20/09 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by Exnihil:
Anyway, I did ask Fat Cramer's question, and was told that fan support is essential to bringing the Legion back to the forefront. DiDio likened this period to the post Adventure period, where the Legion played backup to Superboy until enough noise was made to give them their own title. He said that although he always sees the Legion as having a presence in the DCU, this "second feature" status will continue for a period. I followed up, asking how long he anticipated that period being and he said... very discouragingly... "could be a year, could be infinity".
...Would be the place to start for me. If the Legion is so screwed up to not warrant a book of their own...it happened during his time in charge and it is a pretty direct result of his decisions.

#77361 06/21/09 01:17 AM
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@ Sarcasm Kid: Reasons to dislike Didio
* Final Crisis
* Battle for the Cowl
* The debacle that has been the Flash for the last three years
* Ditto Wonder Woman
* the Threeboot Legion...

#77362 06/21/09 01:48 AM
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Thank you for asking that question, exnihil. It would be interesting to know what the thinking was back in the post-Adventure period, to put the Legion into a back-up position. I suppose it's ultimately sales-driven, but have always suspected politics of some sort play a role, since we've had the last few series aborted before their natural deaths, sudden changes of creative teams and interrupted story lines. Would sales have been that much different if DnA and Shooter had been allowed to finish their runs?

Putting the team as a second feature is a pretty heavy handicap in the race, given the price of a comic today and the tepid support (so far) for Conner Kent. I'm a bit discouraged for the outlook, since we seem to have another storyline revolving around some universe-changing event, which usually implies a long, drawn-out tale with which we all get impatient.

The Legion fan-base is certainly fractured, but I wonder about the support for some of the books DC does continue to back, and some of the new series they've tossed into the market. (I'm totally biased, of course.) However, it does seem very difficult, if not impossible, to find a uniformly accepted version of the Legion today.


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#77363 06/21/09 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by Fat Cramer:

The Legion fan-base is certainly fractured, but I wonder about the support for some of the books DC does continue to back, and some of the new series they've tossed into the market. (I'm totally biased, of course.) However, it does seem very difficult, if not impossible, to find a uniformly accepted version of the Legion today.
The uniformly accepted version has to be what comes out of Lo3W. That is what DiDio and Johns have decided thay are going to run with. If that doesn't sell there won't be a fourboot there will be nothing.

So it is up to Legion fandom - irrespective of their personal favorite version of the Legion - to get behind Adventure Comics and support it until the Legion take it over or get a new series.

It is the only way. DC aren't going to give the Legion a series because a few Legion Worlders write to Dan DiDio (though letters to DC can't harm the case). They are going to give the Legion a series because Adventure sells more than a b-rater like Conner Kent can justify.


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