Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LSH # 1 was #25!

*dittos that*

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The less ties to the 20th century, the better, say I!

No offense but Rond was someone I personally never liked. The fact he causally disregarded Earth law and was a secret green lantern made me hold him in contempt rather than joy.

Plus I don't like anyone who mucks with time on a regular basis. There's also the fact one version of him served Darkseid.

Rond's not a huge fave of mine either.

My personal preference would be LITTLE TO NO ties to the 20th C, meaning no GL at ALL in the Legion's time. I mean, who needs the Legion if GLs are still active? No thanks.

Right, my only point was that if your going to have a Green Lantern at all it should be a character unique to the Legion, rather that a 21st century transplant. No need to invite another Superboy situation. Ten years from now, I'd rather not see discussion of the Threeboot Pocket Universe Kyle Rayner.

The problem is that while you have problems with continuity, the problem is largely only one if DCU chooses to make it a problem. Wonder Woman was an essential part of the Justice Society. If Wonder Woman hadn't been there with her Purple Ray, the Legion would have died on several occasions.

What did DC do when she wasn't there?

They ignored it.

Seriously, there's no need for the radical solutions that DCU proposes and I think they finally understand it. With Hypertime then we can never have to worry about these problems again.

Plus crossovers = sales, which will save the Legion more than continuity problems.

But does it *need* saving, at this point? #25 is pretty good - better than I was expecting - and although that's just a measure of hype, the story itself was probably good enough to hook a good proportion of the new audience.

We'll see what the numbers say in a few months, but there's no reason to worry just yet. There's a handful of character's I'd love to see interact with this new Legion myself, but I think I'd rather get to know *them* first. It's no fun otherwise.

There'd be no way of knowing if they're doing it *wrong*.

Historically, for the Legion anyway, crossovers with DC = ruined characters and crappy stories (Laurel Kent, Supergirl, reboot Ferro's 20th century origin, Zero Hour whiting out the entire continuity, etc.)

Vidar was the coolest GL ever! Right up there next to Kyle! Who's moldy Jordan? Oh Hal? eh. Hal was the most boring in the corps till he killed everybody.

Jorge

ICv2 has released their calculations for the actual numbers sold for December.

The #1 book, New Avengers #1, sold an estimated 240,724 copies. Based on that The Legion of Super-Heroes v5 #1 sold 50,691. Compare this to:

The Legion #1: 28,350
Legion Worlds #1: 23,830
Superboy's Legion #1: 23,350
Legion Lost #1: 20,900

I'd say that we did pretty damn good. Of course the sales for the next couple of issues will tell the real story.

Lightening Lad,

Thanks for the real data confirming my vague memory. Sales twice that of recent years? That's fantastic! In the top 25 in a month with New Avengers, 2 Superman/Batman, and the Identity Crisis conclusion? Also, just stellar.

Waid said LSH would be DC's #1 book within its first year, not right out of the box. I'll believe it when I see it, and no sooner. But his take on LSH has been fun reading so far and #25 is nothing to sneeze at. Aquaman fans like myself would love to see his book crack the top 50. (Oh, how I could weep over the first year of THAT relaunch...)

I think what will help propel future sales will be the number of very positive reviews that we've seen come out...many of them from people who were self-professed "LSH avoiders." It is their good lip service that will help suck in additional readers.

As for Green Lanterns being in the LSH, my thoughts on this are as follows: If Mark Waid was adamant against having old LSH and DC villains to rely on as a crutch, then I think he'd be as equally against having known, predictable DC heroes in his new series as well.

#25 is good, overall. Grats Mark/Barry.

Yay, top 25! I am pleasantly surprised. I'm sure re-orders will be high. I didn't ask the dudes at my comic shop how many they ordered, but I noticed they had NO copies of #1 on the shelves.

I predict word of mouth will keep this comic in the top 25, if not higher.

Now if BIRDS OF PREY would get that high of a ranking, I'd be a happy guy.

I'm hoping that the reviews and word of mouth will bring in more new readers to at least keep the book where it's at when idle readers drop out. We're still operating under that ridiculous Legion stigma that seems to make people think the book is too hard to get into. Do people have low self-esteem? The Legion is one of the most self-contained mainstream superhero titles around.

My local store still has almost 10 copies on the shelf. Owner will probably revert to ordering pull files +1.

So, it did not take off here. Hope not too many other stores had results like that.

On the plus side, at least one of those unsold copies is spoken from as I've pretty well read my copy to death. There's something I haven't done since, like, 1978.

The local shop owner here ran out, and pulled my copy from one of his employee's folders! I'm sure that person was a bit upset....

It seems like it's taking off here really well. I've gotten my wife interested in it... if only I could get her to buy her own copies...

WooHoo! #25 is indeed nothing to sneeze at. Very nice and very promising.

PS: I am an avid supporter of Rond Vidar.

Another good sign: My comic-store-guy told me today that they ordered very heavily on #1, expecting it to sell well. They now have only one copy left from their re-order. This, from a store where I've been told in the past that I'm nearly the only one who buys Legion stuff regularly.

I think we should all just wait a few more months before getting to excited. Yeah the numbers are great comapred to the last few series, but DC NEVER hyped a Legion book as much as they did this one so numbers were bound to be up. I think the sales on issues 4 and 5 are going to be the ones that matter here.
I am one of those fans that is not quite sold on Waid yet, and am giving it a few more issues to hook me and I think there are quite a few people just like me that are still on the fence about this latest reboot. If Waid can't hook us then the numbers will probaly drop write back down to where they were before or very close.

This is all going to come down to Waid and his writing.

Yes, there are people on the fence. There are always people on the fence at the start of any series. But as I said before, there was a strong amount of positive feedback on the various online reviews and many of these people were self-professed LSH "avoiders" or non-readers.

It won't be the fans of the past that carry this series, like previous incantations. It'll be the new readers that give it a shot and pick it up. Wait and look for the re-order #'s. I doubt that people are buying this for purely speculative purposes.

Does anybody have the numbers on doom patrol and other recent relaunches?

Here are the most recent sales figures and analysis for DC.

J