Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Legion WONT be starring in adventure according to Didio....

In a 20 questions thing at newsarama. According to him, the have already changed things up, and Legion wont star in the book. Apparantly, it will rotate after each story.

I think we should all agree to stop buying other DC comics until there's a regular Legion title again. Why should we continue giving our money to a company that refuses to produce comics we want to read?

Adventure is out for me. On the other hand, I fear that the Super titles are in as long as Mon-El is starring in them.

But I just recently quit JLA and Booster Gold so I hope I did my share of cutting sales...

I just wonder how long the arcs in this book are going to be. If they start out with a 6 parter like Marvel and DC are prone to do this book could be dead before the Legion ever shows up. Didiot just keeps making one blunder after another latley and its no wonder marvel is kicking the crap out of DC sales wise.

I was all set to buy Adventure but now its definetly gone into the wait and see pile. If it is a character I like with a team I like I will probably get it, but if its not then there is no way I am forking over anything for this book.

I don't understand this at all. Adventure Comics Starring the Legion seems like such a no-brainer. Are they actively trying to lose sales?

Got me, my friend. I genuinely think that Didio is trying to do good things, but somehow, someway, he just keeps missing. I had my LCS put adventure down on my pull list, and now i am gonna have them take it off.

In the last few months DC has lost me on Nightwing, BoP, Batman (after having tried it again for the first time in years), Superman in Action comics (after having returned for Johns' run), about to lose me on JLA, lost me on Wonder Woman (not Gail's fault, i just can't seem to get into that character), Atom, Hawkman, Aquaman, Firestorm, Blue Beetle...man, the list is just growing.

And it isn't like i haven't been trying to get into some of the new stuff. I was trying the Mystery in Space, the new Fate stuff...but they just keep promising and not really delivering.

Add to that the complete and total flop that was Countdown...yeah, it may have sold well, but it wasn't because people liked it so much as it seemed that it was the only way to keep up with some favorite characters that couldn't support a solo title. And then, at the end, when it went all to hell, people on the business end seemed to not get that people were really disappointed with it because it had good numbers.

I absolutely refused to buy trinity because of it, and i love Busiek's work.

Add to that the fact that certain writers just keep getting shoveled work that falls flat on so many levels (Winick, Byrne, several others) and the godawfull storylines (yes, just what we want, Superman Batman and Wonder Woman to be replaced/missing...again) and it gets bad.

Then, there is the closing of the Wally flash book. Was it just me, or had we not seen that same story three times in the last few years? First, when Wally's book was abortively ended, then when waid left again, and now, the end of this run.

DC keeps telling the same damn thing over and over. The Suits may love him, but DC's sales could be a lot better than they are right now. Didio keeps getting rid of the books that readers want for the ones that the employees like. Someone, somewhere, open his head up and pour this info in.

Wow. That's great news because it's a proven fact that fans of the big two publishers really support anthology titles. Mmm hmm.

Not this fan.

matlock's being sarcastic. Anthologies inevitably tank, and quickly.

This just makes me sad. We're obviously not on the same wavelength as DC editorial management, so I wonder who their target consumers really are.

That is a very good question. DC's marketing strategies must be designed to appeal to someone, but who?

I say we storm DC offices and stage a coup! Who's in charge? We could do a better job than those yahoos. We'd just have to settle that tiny little detail of "which is the REAL Legion?" The rest should be a breeze.

I may be living in a dream world here but...

DiDio said originally that Adv #1 was to star Mon-El and the Legion, implying two different story-lines.

The latest quote said that Mon-El would not be in #1 and the Legionnaires would appear later.

But DiDio never refers to the Legion as the Legionnaires. What if what he really said was 'and the Legionnaire will appear later'? ie the Legion story will still be there.

What I am understanding from all this back-and-forth changing of the minds of DC and Didio is that we, as fans, are meant to writhe on a hook until such time as they (the big DC gods) see fit to unravel their grand scheme which pertain to the fate of the Legion (and wait out the conclusion of the Final Crisis tie-ins).

Well I for one am slowing losing interest in anything DC solicits have to say from now on! I am therefor excersizing complete miopia for the next few months and will just wait and see what I find on the shelves of my comic shop in March 2009.
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I agree. I'm losing interest in the things DC is doing right now (overall). Final Crisis is craptastic, everything is late, Legion is getting moved around after being dropped again, Wally's being re-replaced by Barry (who I love, but should stay dead...nothing is sacred in comics anymore).

The retooling of JLA has been a bust this go-around. I love JSA, but am leery of Johns leaving it.

Green Lantern is still good, and I'm going to give Jurgens some time to prove to me he can still give Booster Gold the right polish...Johns' retake on Booster was phenomenal (with the "greatest hero you've never heard of" angle).

I've always bled "DC" comics. I've enjoyed Marvel and some independents from time to time, but there's nothing else out there that interests me right now. For almost the first time in 30 years of collecting comics (I'm 41 right now), the horizon seems kinda "meh" to me. I want to be excited by things out there, but at $2.99 a pop (at the cheapest), I find myself getting thrilled to think of the money I'll save when a book I collect gets canceled. That's not the way it should be!!

Maybe I need a vacation...

Craig, we are in the same boat. I'm 41 as well and the more DC cancells, the less interested i am in replacement books that fall flat.

DC has a great stable of characters and they seem insistent on running them into the ground. No way should Hawkeye be more interesting than GA. No way should Marvel be outselling DC. No way should Marvel be scarfing up talent (and admittedly wasting it in my opinon, but thats another story) and DC keep going back to the well of writers/artists that don't sell.

My God, How did Marvel get Gerry back and DC not get a look? How the heck does DC not Call Roy Thomas? Instead, we get another version of the crappy version of some book no one wants to read.

How does DC keep getting these "hot Artists" supposedly, that cant tell a story, have no pacing, and can only get 8 books a year out?

Maybe its just me. Maybe i am going through my comics mid-life crisis...but comics just aren't as fun anymore when characters with long histories are swept away for the latest "event".

I just turned 42 yesterday! (Yeah, hurray.) Anyway, I know exactly how you all feel. My sense of DC right now is that there is a negative synergy between DiDio's inept attempts to engineer the next big thing and the authentic ideas of the creative staff. Final Crisis seems like a good example of this. If it had just been, say, "Crisis of the 5th World!" or even "Death and Life of the New Gods," it would have been a fun, cosmic, epic book, with Grant experimenting with lots of new things. It could cross over organically with titles where it makes creative to do so, like JLA or Superman or whatever. It could be a big event, as "Sinestro War" was, without having to align the past, present and future publishing schedule to it. So, I'm left with this whipsaw feeling where the direction of EVERYTHING changes monthly, and rather than being exhilerated I'm left whiplashed. I wonder how that compares to silver age Marvel, which I am not quite old enough to have read as it was published, but certainly had a fast pace of change and a firm editorial hand.

I too have read DC for 30 years or more, and I have to say the things I am enjoying most at the moment are their "Showcase presents" anthologies. I don't know what Didio's thinking, but as everyone else here has noted he seems to have a knack for doing exactly the wrong thing.

Oh, and is it wrong to want to put out a contract on Grant Morrison?

I loved Grant Morrison's early stuff. His run on Animal Man was phenomenal. However, I still think he should have stuck with less-mainstream books. I was not that impressed with his runs on JLA and X-Men. All-Star Superman works because it is clearly an alternative Superman. And the less I say about Final Crisis, the better.

I still think ADV will feature Legionnaires, but it will start with fill-in storylines simply because Mon-El introduction must be completely late and off-mark. Geoff is probably writing a simple story that will likely begin in 2022 (like Blackest Night, the most ridiculously overhyped and way too long to happen plot ever advertised by DC), and there are at least more 5 plots featuring Mongul before that to happen. Moreover, there might be some more trouble with James Robinson and Winick/Sturges might be the new writer of (name your book here).
Truth is: Geoff and Morrison are the writers who can do whatever they want (it doesn't matter how late, awful or silly the idea is - like Infinite Crisis), in spite of Didio. Everyone else is just cannon fodder for the slaughter (like Shooter, Waid or Giffen).

My favorite DC book right now is so off the radar (all the cosmic stuff by Jim Starlin) that I wonder why is Didio leaving that be anyway.

And I think it's because DC still doesn't know what's going to happen with the Superman Superboy litigation.

Look guys...the Action Arc sold over 50k per issue, LO3W has so far sold above 60K...

Titles that sell like that don't grow on trees, especially for DC comics. That's a top 30 seller there for them.

Going with something like...oh say the Guardian as the lead in Adventure. which will be lucky to stay over 20k copies, reeks of an ulterior motive. DC's not that stupid, and neither is Didio.

I think they are going to try a variation on what they have been trying to do since 1986...try to spin this Action Legion off as Superman Free as possible.

They are going to feature Mon-El in the Superman title and then spin that off into a Legion series, and say see how neat this is Superman fans? Superman isn't important. They want the Superman fans to feel Superman is as unimportant to the Legion as a large segment of Legion fans do...and it's simply not true, and every creator that has come anywhere near the book in the last 20 years knows it.

Including Jim Shooter.


But anyway, after Mon-El's stint in Superman, then they'll take the team to Adventure featuring Mon-El and The Legion of Superheroes, or some suck, and hopefully approximate the success of the Superman Legion with the Supermanless Legion.


Incidentally...featuring Mon-El in Metropolis instead of Smallville does distance him from the Superboy mythos and more firmly establishes him in the Superman mythos, something DC retains partial ownership of, unlike the Superboy mythos.

It won't be as successful as they want, because simply put Mon-El isn't Superman. About 15 people know who Mon-El is while pretty much everyone knows who Superman is. You put Superman in a Legion title and the Legion instantly becomes more enigmatic, as does Superman.

You do it with Mon-El...and it's just another team and a guy in a cape.

It'll probably be more successful than anything they've tried with the Legion since 86 though...maybe.


That's(legalities) the only thing that makes sense about why DC is screwing around with a title, delaying it, stalling, that has 50k monthly potential during this current slump they are in and when they desperately need a hit and clearly have one in this Legion.

They clearly have a hit with this...the next time this Legion sells under 50k will be the first.


They are clearly stalling, not just the Adventure Arc, but with LO3W as well.


The only other thing that makes sense for all these delays and DC's seeming lack of enthusiasm for the Legion(the +50k per month selling Legion) is that they are waiting for Johns to clear up his schedule some...and I don't think that's it, because Johns wouldn't have started this if he didn't know where he wanted to go with it immediately. Johns isn't that much of an idiot.


It's about the lawsuit...it probably has been since 1986. That's the only thing that makes sense about why DC has been so stupid with the Legion. The closer the Legion is tied to Superman, the better the chance the Siegels have of going after it as derivative work IMHO....or being heavily compensated for Legion stories featuring Superman.

So my opinion is, DC doesn't know what to do with the Legion not since yeaterday. They have no plan, restart after restart, and after Zero Hour it was getting worse with this kiddy Legion. It's like a dart-game, throw the arrows and wait were they stick. Action comics run was great, they have a great run with Lo3W, but crap with the regular Legion title. They don't know where to go next with the Legion, don't see the potential they have in story and fanbase (ok, they lost many fans cause of this no direction in the last 10 years). New fans will look for Legion after Smallville, but what will they find at the LCS? Yeah, give yourself the answer. And this news is the next proof for me. What a pitty and what a waste of time and effort. The only thing you can do is take out the Great Darkness Saga Trade and read it again and again (never get fed up, this is quality), or complete your collection. So, let's move over to 2009, we'll meet again, folks....

Hey Rick, I think you've got a best selling idea here. Picture it: "MID-LIFE CRISIS"! It could be DC's next multi-part company wide crossover event.

Seriously, I never thought of my comic buying habits as suffering from a "mid-life" crisis, but that's a good way of putting it. It's sad really.

It seems to me they've been bending over backwards to REconnect Superboy/man to the Legion, not disconnect them.

i had the same impression!

besides, from what i understood about all those complicated legal issues between DC comics and the siegels, it looks to me like it could rise a situation where it would be more convenient for DC to push superboy instead of superman...!

i mean, didn't the judge already say that the siegels co-own with DC the rights for action comics #1? and that DC has to pay something to the siegels for every time they used superman from, like, the last ten years or so until now?
if i do remember correctly, DC could still win the legal battle for the full rights of superboy. if so, paradoxically, superboy could be the character DC would be more interested in pushing. am i wrong?
(anyway, i have to say that a as a person i hope DC will lose both trials! go siegels!)