Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Official LSH 3 Worlds Thread #5 out (FINALLY!! - spoilers)

So finally I got my copy as well. I loved it. The art was great again, as was to be expected. I especially loved the depiction of White Witch, she just looked great - fragile, but powerful, and beautiful. Made me realize how much I missed that character.

As for the story, well done. I know the basic storyline - superteam of alternate universes meeting to beat bad guys - has been done very often (like JLA Avengers or the annual JSA JLA meetings) but it has not been done with all those Legions, and as the Legion has always been my favorite book, I want to see that storyline done with my favorites. I hope it won't get too gory due to Supes Primes involvement. I can live with Rond Vidars death, though i was wondering why they called him a Legionnaire...

I really loved the way Johns handled the "underager" silliness. Making Threeboot Brainy spouting out Grandpa in his first sentence was very ironic, a very fitting side blow at Mark Waids ridiculous hippie movement. To think that Threeboot Brainy would talk like that and mistrust his own adult self is just perfect irony, and to me, it just proves how callow this plot element was from the beginning, considering that every underager is going to be an adult quite soon...

What else? I like the fact that it is actually mentioned as a plot device that the Reboot Legion has been in Limbo. Makes the whole experience more real to me - as they actually have been in Limbo since being threebooted some years ago. I also like the fact that the classic Legion is scattered over the universe. Gives the book a chance to slowly returning the characters into the story. Quite sure that we will yet be seeing Cham and Element Lad, for example.

Oh, and I like those Sun Boy moments. Just half a page this time, but great. I like the character moments as a whole. Some may seem forced to some people, but hey, we only have five issues of this series, so squeeze in as many character moments as possible, who knows what comes afterwards...

So yeah, still very excited about this. Carry on Geoff and George!

Because he's an honorary Legionnaire.

I kinda got chills at her shouting about getting Mordru back, even if she had to delve into the blackest magics to do so. I like Mysa for her spirituality and her connectedness, and she's pretty darn close to the *last* Legionnaire I want to see go all Dark Willow.

It was incredibly off-putting, to hear threeboot Brainy, who has never in the Waid issues seemed to give a hoot about the underager crap (except as a rationale for his own unauthorized activities / hijacking of the public service for his own ends), sounding so, well, silly. Heck, conspiratorially tin-hat paranoid, even!

What strikes me about this, and I'll admit I didn't notice it until you just pointed it out, is that, like Mon-El's zone-time, the entire reboot Legion being trapped in limbo for years only further hammers home how incredibly lame Superman's argument that Prime has 'been through a lot and it's made him crazy' because of his own time in limbo.

Superboy-Prime is being excused for killing 20,000 plus people for suffering as badly as the entire reboot Legion. Unless they come out and immediately go psycho (trapped for years, their entire universe destroyed), it only makes Superman's 'logic' about Superboy Prime look even more specious.

And then there's Mon-El, who spent ten *centuries* trapped in 'limbo,' in unending pain from the fatal radiation poisoning inflicted upon him by Superboy (accidentally, obviously), who came out of that state and *also* not only didn't go all psycho and kill many thousands of people, but also considered Superboy, the dude who poisoned, imprisoned and then kinda forgot about him, *his friend!*

The reboot team's time in Limbo, and the destruction of their world, only highlights in even brighter and bolder colors how inexcusable Superboy Prime's actions have been.

Wait, when was the reboot universe destroyed?

I wonder just where the reboot Legion has been. They were in limbo at the end of the Titans/Legion special, then they were on Earth-247 when Shikari caught up to them, then they were in limbo again at the start of FC:L3W #2. So what happened? And how long has it been from their perspective?

edited to add:

I read on another message board today that JSA #20 has an interesting detail: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Starman's costume's starfield effect is a map of the post-FC:L3W multiverse created by the three Brainiac 5s. Or something like that.</span></span>

Actually I think he was referring to the groups' first meetings.

In a nutshell: I'm enjoying the art very very much, the writing not so much. Superman's limbo comments were so distracting that its hard for me to get beyond them and get back into the story. Yes, I'm a big Mon-El fan.

According to the DC site, the arrival date for Legion of 3 Worlds #4 is now February 25, 2009.

That would be something I would think John's should have put into the issue, it adds history and some intrigue.

This is either a Superman story, a Legion Story or both. To expect us to know GL backstory without some help is a bit unfair.

However, I'm sure that oversight will be corrected in the next issue, when it comes out in 2010.

Did I miss the discussion on why the events in LO3W #2 didn't replicate the scene from DC UNIVERSE #0?

Or maybe DCU0 was a scene from LEGION OF 4 WORLDS?

This must have a serious impact on Lo3W and doesn't at first glance appear consistent.

If this all occured at the first meeting then in Lo3W Brainy knows they already have the technology to jump universes before using the crystal from JLA headquarters and before the other Legions were considered stranded.

If it occurs during the second meeting (ie will occur during Lo3W) then in the Lo3W timeline Thom has not yet been sent back in time which doesn't fit with the Lightning Saga or him being classed as MIA in Lo3W

For anyone who hasn't seen JSA #20, I really enjoyed seeing Thom something like his old self especially <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">when he interrupted by saying "I'm not the leader just a member but..." and really took control</span></span>

It was a good issue, a very nice portrayal of Rond Vidar, who I suspect will be alive again by the end... I don't know or care about the last-page character... actually, I think it's crappy to bring in a non-LSH player in what is apparently going to be a big role.

And RIP Evillo, Glorith and Dragonmage too...

Or perhaps since the tech is only in Thom's suit and he's MIA, Brainy had to resort to other means. Since everyone's memory is so fuzzy about the original meeting, it may have prevented Action Brainy from replicating or even copying Thom's suit, meaning he's stuck. Wasn't it stated in the Lightning Saga that Thom wasn't supposed to be in the 21st century, but swappped out with Gim at the last second?

And I don't want a Legion title to have to recap Green Lantern history, either. In short, the Green Lantern involvement doesn't belong in an event that should be all about the Legion.

Agreed but clearly Geoff Johns and DC consider the Final Crisis part of the title the main deal.

If it had been called "Final Crisis in the 31st Century" probably no-one would have complained (though possibly because no-one would have bought it)

Seeing Rond in action as a Green Lantern and, evidently, an active Legionnaire was great, even though I was pretty sure he was a goner. But if he gets "lightning rodded" back to life and it turns out R.J. isn't dead somehow... what if no one of any signifigance dies in this series dies, after all the dread leading up to it from the fans? That'd be a hoot, that's what that'd be.

Also, Rond's inclusion reminds us that there's a lot of history about this Legion we don't know about. Who knows who may show up as a member? Maybe a Legion Academy graduate like Power Boy or Nightwind? Maybe Kid Psycho is alive and cured? I mean, if Imra and Brainy can whip up some lead poisoning serum on the fly, how about a cure for him?

And we've seen Beauty Blaze and Echo. Wasn't Douglas Nolan part of that story, too? Show me Legionnaire Ferro Lad, baby! Since this seems to be a divergent timeline, maybe it's the one he was sent to by his powerful mutant mind!

A scene in which Lightning Saga Legion is staring in reverence at reboot's Ferro would by nice.

OUCH!

How bout a little awkward scene for the Legionnaires who don't have counterparts?

Wow! That would be nice!

Yeah it would... but it would'nt last very long after talking to him for 5 minutes. Reboot Ferro redefined milksop for a generation that had no idea what it meant in the first place (like me.) Plus he had the worst non-costume of the reboot.

I agree, Ferro Man. Reboot Ferro was Ferro Wimp. Too bad he couldn't turn his spine to iron along with the rest of him. And his costume did suck.

looks Like DC needs to clean house too many f0ups

I can't wait until this series finishes for the Legion's 100th Anniversary!

Cobie, you're so optimistic!

First Tellus.....now Mon-el as he will pop up in Superman book in Feb. 2009 -

check it out n newsarama -

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/081115-dc-solicitations-mar-09.html