Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! The Time Trapper- he at fault again?

I'm just thinking that it might be possible to make this Legion the "real" Legion by having the Time Trapper be the person who taught the Fatal Five how to use the Persuader's ax to rip apart time.

Personally, its my opinion that we'll never know who the Time Trapper is because the idea it was Rokk or Glorith is just as unlikely as a Controller.

Of course, my theory is the Time Trapper is (though we'd never get confirmation because of Gaiman's love of his characters) Destiny from the Sandman series...only warped because while he's bright and shiny at the beginning of time...he becomes dark and morbid at the end of time.

I always fugured it was Vandal Savage. After wasting an eternity of trying to gain power and seeing schemes slip throufgh his fingers, he finally gains some - after everyone else is dead.

So what does he do? Meddle in C-30 - and STILL Fs everything up.

Vandal Savage would have been an obvious choice I think but unfortunately, he's got so many origins...its a bit hard to say "what is the real one"

Okay...

How about Rip Hunter, then?

I still think that TT is really Dynamo Boy. Exiled to a desolate future by the LSV, and then driven crazy.

Of course, Meglaro might be a possibility as well...

It's ...ME!!! The first commercially successful comic character is also the last!

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!!

...though Destiny would be cool.

I always liked the fact that it kept changing. Maybe because none of the revelations were all that appealing.

I think TT's a character best kept shrouded in mystery.

I agree with OM, it´s the best if none of the revelations about the identity of the TT were true.
The Trapper is my fav villain but i don´t think waid will use him in any way, he´s a continuity trouble maker if not handed right.

Destiny would need a serious power-down to be the Trapper, methinks. It's hard to imagine Extant or Lori Morning slapping around one of the Endless...

One of the few things I enjoyed about the Trapper's postboot appearance was its remark that "I could even be one of you. I have been, you know." Apparently it was aware of his multiple origins; perhaps it even had influence over them

I thought it was a very interesting idea to have the Trapper's past be fluid, and dependent on its actions, in the same way the future is for the rest of us.

It makes sense. Everything changes, but everything has to end (unless we're talking about the Infinite Man or Legion fandom).
Still, I find quite amusing the idea of the Time Trapper being one of the Endless while still being The End.

I actually note that the Endless, while all powerful over their areas of special concern are different from other DCU characters in the fact that they are not "powerful in other areas"

Dream of Endless was held captive by a relatively minor magician for nearly a century after all.

Also, one thing that's already been confirmed in canon is the fact that the Time Trapper uses false faces as his minions. The Controller that was the "Time Trapper" was just one of TT's minions as was Glorith. Presumably Cosmic Boy was just another dupe of the TT put in his heavy black robe.

It IS kind fo cool thinking that maybe the Trapper is the ONE constant in all the incarnations of the Legion. He's changed too but if you consider that they're all just different faces of one creature it kind of ties things together in a seriously twisted way.

Now I wonder if Gail's claim of a connection between the DnA and the WaK Legions might have another thread we hadn't considered before. Come to think of it we haven't found the previously referenced connection yet have we?

Funny you shuld mention that YK because I've been considering that myself. SO far the only connection I can make is that in Gail's arc, the baddies opposed the technological developments that had become so prevalent in the status quo that the population had become dependent on them.

The new Legion is similar in that they are also opposed to the status quo and are trying to force it to change.

I assumed Shakari was the link.

What if...
There is destined to be a Time Trapper, but even if one future Trapper averts his/her fate, it simply shifts to the next likely person?

Add in the fact that the baddies take their names from present-day DCU heroes, and I think you've got it.

If time is branching in the DCU, then there could be an infinite number of Time Trappers, each one representing a different "end point" of time. Perhaps the various shifts in reality are the result of the various Trappers trying to make their timeline the "main one" (whatever that means).

You know, we've come up with ...ok you really smart guys have come with an excellent justification for a Legion version of the Avengers Forever story. A Time Trapper war that pulls "the best of the best" Legionnaires from multiple timelines to do whatever it is that Time Trappers do.
How cool would that be?

Fantastic if you got the pencils of Carlos Pacheco (all the spanish legion fans now that his love for the jsa is only beaten for his love of the legion).

The Time Trapper is a great character but I hope he/it's not used as the explanation for the 3boot, or as some link connecting the old and new. Too facile to just trot out the Trapper as the explanation that covers everything. Then what? Somebody's version always gets destroyed so we can have one timeline.

Can't there be multiple dimensions co-existing without some god-like manipulator messing with them?

I prefer a general statement that this is THE legion of the DCU timeline.

Unfortunately the DCU of the modern era has already connected with at least three other Legion continuities. Superman met the Post-Crisis Legion in the crossover that saw the death of Superboy (that story is locked in to current continuity because of the introduction of the "pocket universe" concept which eventually gave rise to the 90's Supergirl character,) Superman later met the post-Valor retcon TMK team in various Legion eras (which he seemingly still remembers post Zero-Hour as when he referred to the reboot Live Wire as Lightning Lad,) and the Post-Zero Hour team included the Team 20 days.

Until the 3boot team shows up in the current DCU they seem to me to have the least claim to the title of "true" DCU future. I'd actually be fine with this team never being put into that box honestly.

I like to think of TT more as the personification of Entropy, like it seemed he was during the bronze age. Not the entropy of marvel comics, but more one that is trying to bring about a certain event or ending, and to do this, TT keeps changing things around. Thus we have all the different legions. I mean, my first love is the silver/bronze age legion above all other versions, and i hate to see it gone, but...

I think that i would make one fantastic, overarcing storyline that could be used to set the legions place in the DCU. Lets face it, they have always been the bastard stepchild of DC, and garner little respect outside their own book. I think it would be kinda nice.

And TT was the first real powerhouse i ever read about.

I don't think the Time Trapper needs to be anyone. I like him best as an entity apart from some *silver age gasp* revelation. Is it not possible that the Time Trapper is actually... the Time Trapper?

Maybe. But it's fun to theorize.. especially to rid one's self of the memory of Rokk-as-Trapper.

I think the Time Trapper should be a Legionaire honestly, probably Brainiac 5 because basically...the Time Trapper in his better moments isn't just evil, he's DEMENTED.

* Uses the Legion of Supertots as his henchmen rather than just killing them

* Creates an army of superkids to fight Mordru as opposed to an adult army

* Is sadistic enough to create a cute world for Superboy with rainbow patterns of Kryptonite and a superdog.

The Time Trapper should be horrifying and yet...FUNNY