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What I would do is have it begin with Shikari bringing back the Legion from hypertime and a month or so has pass with some changes that Brande brought forth with some of the new members that graduated, like a new headquarters, but all are not well. Evidence that proves that the Legion is responsible for the creation of Computo has reached the Madame President of the UP, Apparition’s mother, and has things start going down hill for the Legion.

The leaders, as well as Apparition, of the Legion enter her office and she shows them the evidence and wants to see how they would explain this, but tells them to shut up to put them in their place when they start telling her the importance of the Legion which wasn’t answering her question. It ends with the Madame Presidents talking to the other government officials and it’s decided new policies must be made for the Legion so something like this can’t happen again and an investigation, but Cosmic Boy and Brande decline and decide to resign to become private while believing they’re being noble about it, but then reality gets in the way. Some Legion members will be enlightened by this, but some will be in denial.

They still keep the new headquarter since Brande paid the bills in its construction, but decide to split the team in three parts, because of the fact that they no longer have the freedom to operate like they used to. One team will go to Shikari’s home galaxy, while the other will go to the other side of this known universe. The possible team that stays on earth will be the “somewhat” main focus of the series which are the three founding members, in hopes to re-promote the Legion, Umbra, Triad, XS, Ultra Boy, Apparition, Star Boy, Shikari (now codenamed Lonestar), and Wildfire.

What would happen with some the characters:

Cosmic Boy: He become less naïve and more serious after he gets a visit from the Time Trapper. They have a “talk” like how surfing Hypertime was like and something slips from TT about the time anomaly that the Dark Circle used which leads Cosmic Boy to believe that it didn’t become visible based on a fluke and Time Trapper decides to confess that he brought it out in the open and waited for someone greedy and foolish enough to try to control it and make everything chaotic. Also to make sure that it was the Legion that would save the day and made them think it was “training” that prevented them from getting “time freeze”, when it was really him who only pretended to be helpless. This affects Cosmic Boy’s cheery personality, especially when the Time Trapper reveals his face to him.

TIME TRAPPER (a little crazy)
I AM YOU, BUT NOT YOU, BECAUSE TIME DOES NOT JUST GO UP AND DOWN, BUT ALSO IN A SIDEWAYS CONTINUUM WHICH BRINGS FORTH MANY POSSIBILITIES.

TIME TRAPPER (a little crazy)
THE DEEDS I DID WAS MEANT TO SHOW THE UNIVERSE THE GLORY THAT IS THE LEGION. TO MAKE THEM BELIEVE THEY ARE HELPLESS WITHOUT THE LEGION TO PROTECT THEM.

This brings Cosmic Boy to the conclusion that the Legion needs to get real. To stop making themselves seem that they’re perfect heroes who will always win thru all the over glorifying PR which brings him into an argument with Brande that ends with him, in anger, telling Brande that he does this to live out his fantasy of having a super-hero team like the ancients by image alone, while hiding all the mistakes, the stars that represent those mistake, under the rug. After awhile, where cooler heads are here, they agree to make some changes where the Legion will be more focused on the job, instead of telling people how to live their lives and making a lot of promises while they been living “above” them, instead of living “with” them. Brande admits that he may of gone a little too far on making the UN rely on the Legion for everything, when it was suppose to be an idea where it shows what they could accomplish.

Live Wire: Still in his crystal Element Lad body, but has these attacks that look like double vision if someone saw it, which is something that Live Wire tries to keep to himself and it’s like as if something, or someone, was trying to get out of him.

Umbra: While arrangements of creating a new non UP Legion are still going on, Umbra goes to Xanthu to seeks answers on a question that has been bugging her since Starman #50 and seeks the one person who started this, Shade, the first Starman’s ex-enemy. When she was using her own shadow powers to push away the out of control shadows of Shade to allow her, Star Boy, Starman, and her ancestor to rescue Shade himself, she sensed something. Something else else that tells her that the shadow that’s roaming within her isn’t as rare as she thought it was and not limited to her people. She finds Shade and he expected her return when her pride no longer prevented for seeing a possible truth. He also willing to share secrets of the mystical shadow, but warns her that some will terrify her beyond belief. She says she not afraid and Shade replies to that by saying “That’s because…. my dear…. we haven’t yet begun.”

Ultra Boy and Apparition: Their son may soon die of old age if something isn’t done and it may not end with a happy ending. To make things worse, Apparition’s mother once again tries to gain custody over her grandson, since she’s now even more convinced that her daughter can’t handle the responsibility. Brande’s lawyers, for now, is holding her back.

Shikari (Lonestar): She’s happy to be back home and with her friends, but is worried about Wildfire who’s once unlimited supply of energy, that’s his very being, has become very limited and may someday run out there by causing something that’s similar to death.

Triad and Spark: Before Spark goes out with one of the outside teams, She and Triad, all three, for a night in the town and discover that some of the population of the universe has been praising them because they were celebrities and not heroes. It now seems that they’re become close to being “Where are they now” celebrities and realize that changes, mostly bad it seems, are coming their way, since they’re used to a certain life where they were the center of attention and praise.

Sensor: She made sure she was one of the away teams, because she still thinks she looks like a freak. To make it worse for her, her father, thru communicator, has demanded to speak to his daughter and knows not of her mutation.

As for the villain, this would be the kind that even the Fatal Five would fear. One who is different to anything that the Legion has ever faced, an urban legend because of his cleverness, wisdom, and awesome power. He knows that to gain power is to know when it’s the right time to take it, when something is too much for even him to handle because of a belief in balance in all things. His way of thinking is so anomalous that he would surely outsmart the UP, Legion, and the 31st civilization, and show them what ancient villainy is really about.

His name is Stain, because every death caused by his hand, and every destruction caused by his power, is like a memory that never goes away.

Oh, yeah, I would also have Brainiac 5 blow up another lab from his experiments and this time it damages a canister holding a chemical that's mutagenic without anyone knowing.

As usual, Chuck Taine goes over to make repairs and the canister explodes near him and he gets exposed to the chemicals and mutates into you know what.

Nice blend of legionnaires growing up, problems a real-life team might face, Brainy blows up a lab with disastrous consequences and everyman's hero restored to bouncing status.

The portrayal of Brande as a head-in-the-clouds guy versus a pragmatic - and waking up to reality - Rokk is interesting. I also liked the depiction of Spark and Triad as celebrity has-beens - much gentler than what was done with Sun Boy in the 5YL series, but effective.

Stain is a really creepy villain, too. Ancient evil!
The Starman/Star Boy connection is good to explore - hadn't thought of throwing Umbra into the mix.

Thanks.

As for Bouncing Boy, he would probably at first think he's a freak and be enraged at Brainiac 5. Also, he would probably have to relearn how to walk again because of his very bouncing body and the fact that his center of gravity would probably be diffrent.

If V4 were ever reintroduced and this new version trashed, I'd start with ... Sharn Nux at the end of time. It would be revealed that Brainiac 4 and Sharn screwed with the timeline to create an alternate universe of Legionnaires who grow up as rebels. As these rebellious Legionnaires get older (a 5 Year Gap might be used here), they become more jaded, their rebellious nature winning out over their heroic inspiration until they actually become a force of chaos.

Then they're introduced (by B4 and Sharn) into the V4 universe as ... The Legion of Supervillains! The Legion title would end and there'd be a 12 issue maxi featuring the LSH vs. the LSV (worlds will live, worlds will die!). After that the Legion would relaunch again with the V4 Legionnaires after their galaxy altering confrontation with the LSV.

galaxy altering confrontation

Do you mean changes in society after an awful experience? Because personally I think the history altering thing has been overdone and what is really causing the hassle with the continuel.

The Consistency over continuel gimmick has so far not solve any of the problems that DC has and I hope the possible Crisis will solve this without a major reboot which would probably push away old readers, as well as not bringing in any new ones, like with Birthright, because the majority didn't seem to think much about it or praised it like Waid thinks they did.

The rules of hypertime need to be modified into something basic enough to give all writers the freedom to write what they want minus altering the history in a major way which is what is causing the hassle. Sadly, Waid has been abusing this, while saying it's hypertime which so far hasn't worked very well, and has made the DC universe more limited and smaller for the other writers because they seem to not know where to start and where to end because basic continuel is being messed up without reason or simple logic.

I am a fan of Waid's work, really, but I don't worship the guy. His idea on how comic books should work seem very flawed even though his stories are very good. The rules of hypertime don't make any sense and sadly it isn't because we don't understand them, but the opposite.

They need to be change so that the limits that the rules force on the other writers will be removed because of how fragile the DC universe has been made because of it.

But I do like the idea of an alternate reality of villians that are similiar to the Legion. I wish DC would allow that type of creativity that would be a step forward instead of rebooting like Waid said he would "for every ten years!" which will surely soon take the "freshness" from the fresh start and make it seem stale.