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You are one sick puppy, MMLASH LOL

This would have all been solved differently if they waited for Pete and Lana to get out of school that day, so they could tip the favor in Thom's vote.

I know Pete wouldn't have let me down! He was a better hero than practically the whole Heroes of Lallor!

Lana wasn't a member yet, but, I did some checking, and apparently there is no good reason why Pete Ross didn't vote! Readers at the time were confused and concerned as well!

Legion fans were never one to lie over and play dead!

Was that a Mort Weisinger hint that Star Boy would end up back in the legion going by the moniker Sir Prize?

Especially those from my hometown of Bristol, VA!

OHMIGAW!!!! EDE is... Jimmy McNew!

Or is related to him.

Per the Zaryan debate, Lightning Lad's death and resurrection reduced him to a state of grace. He gave his life to stop Zaryan from taking countless lives. He had already paid the utmost penalty for taking life by giving his life. Expecting him to be penalized again once his life was restored woud be akin to punishing the dead--the ultimate taboo ever since the time of the ancient Greek tragedians. Or akin to punishing a newborn infant depending on how you look at it.

As far as why Invisible Kid let Star Boy back into the Legion, here's a quick off-the-top-of-my-head hypothesis.

Suppose the Legion leader's vote was weighted. Say it counted double everyone else's vote. Brainiac 5 was leader during Star Boy's trial and he voted guilty.

Invisible Kid voted guilty as well, but immediately afterwards, the Legion fell victim to "The Evil Hand of the Lucklords." In that story, it was thought that Star Boy's expulsion was a result of the Luck Lords' malevolence. Although it was later hypothesized that this wasn't the case, it was never proved one way or another.

Invisilble Kid loses his ability to reappear in that story due to the Luck Lords. Imagine the curse of being made invisible against your will and the fear of never being able to be seen again. The Kid had a crisis of conscience in that story. It was cowardice that made him turn invisible, to avoid the Luck Lords' curse. This personal crisis coud have made him more compassionate to Star Boy and less certain that his expulsion was not the work of the Luck Lords. Later, when he was leader, he could've used his weighted vote to turn the tide on the ballots and reinstate Star Boy, singlehandedlly, thus atoning for his cowardice in the Luck Lords mission and his lack of faith in Star Boy.

also, as others have pointed out, the first Khund War (346-7) likely saw numerous Khund deaths at the hands of Legionnaires. Superboy himself, in enabling the last tower to remain active (by hiding it and building the decoy) remained untroubled by that tower zapping and destroying the invading Khund ships.

So killing in defense or invasion situations is clearly okay, while self-defense is iffy?

What if Kenz' relatives were big-shots and were leaning on the UP, and so the LSHers in the know had to expel Thom in order not to get the LSH's status revoked until things could be smoothed out behind the scenes?

Or some sleazy tabloid was making things look bad - not long after one Legionnaire's invention (Computo) had already run amok, and the more political-minded LSHers wanted to show that the LSH was not harboring multiple loose cannons. Having save the world a few times after that, it was safe to readmit Thom.

I guess since the vote was 10 to 9, the Kid could've turned the tide even without a weighted vote, but say if Pete Ross had voted guilty, he would need the weighted vote.

I THINK THE explanation was far simpler than that, Jim.

I think that Invisible Kid had detected that the Legionnaires' attitudes toward Star Boy and his act of killing Kenz Nuhor in self-defence had shifted in the time since his expulsion. (Obviously, the Kid's own had. Chalk that up to greater maturity or to recrimination or to wisdom gained from his experience as Legion leader.) And realising now that there was more sympathy for Star Boy, he used his position as leader to let Star Boy remain in the Legion--using the dodge of "We admitted you as Sir Prize, so we're going to let that stand."

Now, for Invisible Kid to take such a unilateral action would exceed his authority as Legion leader--and if another Legionnaire had called him on it, the Kid would have had to rescind his declaration that Star Boy could stay. But the Kid had correctly sensed the shift in attitude toward Star Boy--no Legionnaire challenged him on it. Invisible Kid declared Star Boy back in the Legion, and that was O.K. by the rest of the Legionnaires, so it stood.

Personally, I disagree with that. Star Boy acted precipitously in killing Kenz Nuhor and he was rightfully expelled from the Legion. Nothing he did as Sir Prize overturns that.

The fact that once Lightning Lad was resurrected and he wasn't penalized for killing Zaryan, cemented the idea that Lightning Lad was actually now Proty not Garth.

Apropos of this thread ...

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">In the Newsarama preview of JSA #2, Starman is seen saying "Thou shalt not kill! It's part of the code."

It's up at http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan07/previews/jan10th.html
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Poor guy apparently never forgot what his pals put him through.