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God knows I love Gail. She is one of the few writers who takes the time to slum it with the fans, after all...

But I have to admit her vagueness has been irksome. (And the total silence from TPTB has been infuriating.)
Gail seems like a really nice person, but she should have realized that announcing the cancellation of THE LEGION would put us in a collective tizzy. And then to be so ambiguous about the future...

"really big plans" COULD mean TPTB are planning a relaunch in Sept with a new LSH #1
OR it could mean we can expect another reboot (or even a deboot)
OR it could mean they're planning a maxi/mini-series
OR it could mean a series of one-shots and specials
OR it could mean the Legion is simply slated to have a spate of guest apperances in the Superman books or something

It seems to me if DC had no intention of giving us any relevent info in the first place they should have just kept their mouts shut and not give us premature gray hairs.
We DO deserve better than vague hyperbolae.

And then some of us complain about their being closemouthed? It seems they can't win.

With seeing how CrossGen, now faltering, has been leaving fans of many of their books twisting in the wind, despite their historic policy of openness (certainly more of it than with DC), I'm not sure that a change in corporate attitude would make much difference.

If the mishaps surrounding Greg Land and "Sojourn" (see the Dr. Gym'll's thread) are any indication, even relative openness is pounced upon for signs and portents by anxious fans.

I don't like this vagueness any more than the rest of you, but it's not that helpful to individual blood pressures to get too worked up. When DC's honchos make up their minds, they'll make up their minds, and we can really do very little about it besides letting off steam. And even that might be of marginally more effect over at DC's own message board.

Simone is only one step up the info food chain from us, and Wacker only two steps. Despite their (respectively) friendly and contemptuous attitudes, they're not setting policy, either.

Gail didn't announce the cancellation, Stephen Wacker did. If anything, both of them are trying to help and give as much information as they can.

Overall, I think they have pills that can help us through this. Just ask your doctor about them.

i don't see these things as "very big plans", maybe they might be the opposite, especially the second one i quoted.

anyway, can you explain to me by which winds of fate steve wacker became the legion editor?
the more of his quotes i read, the more i think he doesn't care the legion, so how can he be the engine of DC's XXXIst century?

Well, you are contradicting me, Drake, but that's cool. We all have different opinions here, and unlike what I see at DCMB, here at legionworld.net, we all treat each other with respect.

Their vague pronouncements about the future of The Legion are attempts to help us? They're not giving us information; they're giving us conflicting sentiments. From Wacker: 38 is the end of the Legion. From Gail: DC has great plans for the Legion.

And.....? That's not help, that's torture.

Now my doctor has diagnosed me with paranoia, so I know exactly what pills you're talking about, but I want to know one thing, Awkward Pause Boy! HOW DO YOU KNOW MY DOCTOR? Why would you be talking to my doctor? I knew you had it out for me! The first time I saw your missing avatar, I said to myself, Watch Out! This Awkward Pause Boy wants your appendix on his platter!

Stay away, Awkward Pause Boy!

STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Everyone, I think Capt. Dallas may be on to our plans)

I HEARD THAT!

Naturally, this is a message board.

You couldn't have. You can't "hear" a MB

It's the voices in his head, natch.

Are you suggesting he's insane as well as paranoid?

Et tu, Miner and SoM!!!!!!!!???????????????

Of course, this conspiracy of yours has brewing been since I've joined Legionworld.net, hasn't it!!!?????

Jealous about the welcome I received, perhaps??

That's just so typical!

So, so typical!

Well now, your plans to persecute me are all out in the open, and I believe there's only one appropriate response...

I'm starting a new thread, and you three are not allowed to reply to it! DO YOU HEAR ME!?

Um, I mean..., DO YOU READ ME!!??

Hold on a second...

Thanks for understanding that even though I have a different opinion, I'm not trying to devalue your feelings. It's one of the landmines of these kinds of forums where sometimes expressing a personal opinion that's contradictory can seem like an insult. Like you say, it's the good natured atmosphere of these boards in particular that opposing thoughts don't have to lead to a pissing war

Three?

*ticks another box*

My sentiment exactly. I used to be part of an email Legion group in the mid-1990s. The amount of disrespect that I read in those messages was terrible. Flamewars, everywhere, especially between the TMK Vol. 4 admirers and detractors.

Something else else else I'd like to add to this discussion about the future of LSH.

I forgot about an email I sent to Paul Levitz in early February after DnA's departure was announced. When I asked about the future of The Legion, Levitz responded that they have "had a new writer in place since November, though not yet announced."

SoM?, you said it was in December that Rich Johnston reported that Waid was attached to take over Legion, yes? So Levitz here is either referring to Waid, or perhaps only to Gail as the writer of the 4 parter.

Earlier this week I emailed Stephen Wacker about this week's announcement. (On a side note, I know many of you don't admire Stephen, and you're entitled to your opinion, but I do like him A LOT. All of his communications with me have been very speedy, friendly and respectful.) When I asked Stephen about the future of favorite 31st century heroes, he responded, "Sorry Keith, but all I can give you is a big, fat: no comment. I can tell you that I've loved the book for years, but 38 is the end of THE LEGION."

I thought at this juncture it would be useful to revisit Gail's December/January posts at the DCMB, just to refresh our memories. She was amazingly open and informative for a period of about ten days. All these statements were made after Rich Johnston's green-lighted Waid/Kiston rumor, but well before Levitz's positive response to Cap in February. In March/April Gail spoke of her arc intersecting with Waid's in the Sequential Tart interview.

My point is, if the plan to relaunch fell through it would have to have happened in the last 6 weeks. We've not heard any rumors to indicate this, have we?

Note: Pertinent excerpts only. Bolding is mine.


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DCMB TOPIC: A little bit of news

12/29/2003
YES, I am doing a four issue arc of Legion. I love the book, love the characters, and am having a blast. The story WILL be a standalone, but we will touch on some of DnA's brilliant stuff. It should be a fairly smooth transition, AND we'll be setting up some hints for the permanent team to follow.

1/5/2004
Max: I completely understand, but this is just one arc, not several with rotating teams. After my arc, there will be a new, seriously-gifted team that I think very few people will complain about!

1/6/2004
Will you be finishing the Cub story for DnA didn't get to tell? [Repeating a question by the poster Starman]

We will touch on it, but I really feel that's a big story, and so best left to the ongoing team. [This is Gail's response to Starman re. Cub.]

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DCMB TOPIC: Gail Simone and John Byrne?????

12/28/2003
Not sure exactly how DC has been communicating with the readers but I always try to make sure that when I come aboard a book, it's not to kick someone else off. My understanding is that Abnett and Lanning would be off before I was asked. I say again in complete respect and enthusiasm, I think those two guys are fantastic. I love their Legion and I loved Resurrection Man. I love how every issue has so many ideas in it.

Once again, I'm sorry to be so cagey here, but I know what DC's actual plans are, and I honestly think Legion is going to benefit tremendously from the new creative team coming on board (not me, by the way!).

12/29/2003
I've never taken over a book without trying to be respectful to what's come before. Legion is the same, except it's even more critical in this case.

On the other hand, with the exception of some big stunt issues, Legion has not sold well in a good while, and some attempt has to be made to interest new readers. I'm not blaming that on anyone, as I've said, I think the stories have been excellent. But from the publisher's pov, they want to see new people jump aboard. One of the hard business realities of the industry.

All I can do is my very best. After that, I'm certain that the next team will kick the book back up to the chart position where it belongs.

12/29/2003
As for the Legion, I didn't want to rely on just my memory, so I bought some Archive editions, a ton of back issues, and all the DnA stuff I could find. Mark Waid also bought several of his favorite stories and sent them to me, out of his usual friendship. Mark's a good pal to have!

12/29/2003
Briefly, I was offered to stay on Legion, in fact, but a four-issue arc seemed like a great deal of fun, and when another team became available, I whole-heartedly wanted them to take the book, so I'm glad that's how it worked out, as a reader. I know they're going to kick it HUGE.

1/3/2004
I actually think there's a good chance this will be traded. DC is very happy with it so far, so even though it's only four issues, it might well happen. To be honest, I don't like so many stories being six issues, anyway.

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Hope this helps put things in perspective.

I have this overwhelming urge to riot in the streets.

Not that it means jack, but has anyone else noticed the recent text updates to the Legion Secret Files at DC Comics? Within the last couple of months, they updated Apparition, Ultra Boy, M'onel, Spark, Karate Kid, Ferro and (I think) Jazmin. Now I just noticed they updated Saturn Girl and Live Wire. Must be a few weeks since I last checked. The others are still years out of date, e.g. Triad, Element Lad.

Here's the Secret Files page.

Thanks TC - I never even knew that was there!

I hope it's not another reboot. Sigh. I've really enjoyed this run and I wouldn't want Waid and Kitson/whoever to chuck it all away.

Personally, I think Waid's really over rated so I'm not exactly looking forward to it. On the other hand I hope we don't have to wait too long!

It's a very sad new for me the "end of legion".
I only wait for the return of all my heroes in all the glory.
Maybe a hypertime storie, with Kal, Kara, Projectra, Dirk, Tenzil, Gim, Dawnstar,Condo, alls together for first time.
Only hope a good new.
I have 43 years and if The Legion dissapear in the dc's limbo, a part of me die.
Pure and simply.
Long Live To The Legion