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August 2021 is a Bustt
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DC solicits for August 2021 are out. Nothing Legion-related. Again.

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Not even a mention.


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ajohns2012 #1002886 05/27/21 11:39 AM
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He ditched the Legion for the Justice League, but doesn?t want to give up the title. Just give us some sort of official announcement, not this cute ?more news coming ;)? thing he keeps doing.

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ajohns2012 #1002952 05/29/21 08:00 AM
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DC has been yanking around Legion fans for a long time. Between the constant reboots and dangling the carrot sticks in our faces, I imagine a lot of fans are collectively exhausted with the whole thing at this point.

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Is it over yet?

Gosh, I was blown away by that issue with the Gold Lantern origin story! smirk

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ajohns2012 #1002961 05/29/21 11:33 AM
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I?ve stopped getting my hopes up indeed. I?ll be happy if anything comes out, but I?ve stopped expecting it smile

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ajohns2012 #1002979 05/30/21 10:23 AM
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Ho-hum. Send the Legion to Boom or Dark Horse or somebody. Sell it to Disney. Open Source LSH.

I really don't get why a group like X-Men, with its huge cast and frequent changes, has kept going for decades but the Legion keeps failing its resurrection attempts.


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Fat Cramer #1002983 05/30/21 12:55 PM
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Agree with all that, FC.

There was speculation I saw, I think last week that DC may get picked up by Disney, actually. However, I don't see how that can actually happen for a number of reasons. To your point, though, the problem in the last quarter century with the Legion has been the editors, so DC being owned by Disney would not solve the problem - the title needs to go do a different company with a different corporate culture when it comes to creative works.

I get that DC / WB is a corporation and you need to make money. But all DC has proven to be able to do is make money off of Batman. Everything else seems to be subject to the whims of the editors and publishers. That culture apparently has very specific views on what they will invest in. But the latest Legion sales have been OK - certainly better than new 52 - so that tells me that there is massive disorganization in the DC house outside of the core Justice League characters.

I really like the open source idea.

As to why XMen has been more consistently successful, I've asked the same. I have a alot of suspicions based on what we've seen in the past (specifically around the multiple resets and the complete lack of strategy around the threeboot and the Lightning Legion) that there are too many cooks in the kitchen at the editorial and publisher levels that keep interfering with a natural strategy and direction that gets informed by the sales numbers. Meaning, the publishers want the writers and editors to do something, but expect a certain sales level, but changes get made and new editors have new views on the direction, so the tone changes, people don't buy because its "Not their Legion." and the whole thing is a mess. To some extent, I think that addresses the older readers and fans who have the longevity. (Typically these editors will blame us fans for all of the negative blowback)

The other issue, in my opinion is a lack of diversity in aspects other than gender. But the Legion's mainly a bunch of straight white kids running around space. And the editors don't know how to provide that diversity AND provide a good story, as evidenced by Bendis. Marvel's been able to tell stories that resonate with readers around those aspects that matter that the Legion hasn't, for whatever reason. Legion's stories revolve around galactic sci-fi struggles that don't seem to resonate in the same way instead of the more personally relatable way that XMen's stories seem to tell.

Its a definite problem with DC.

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ajohns2012 #1002984 05/30/21 02:01 PM
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I'm pretty sure DC has a new big Crisis event coming out soon that will no doubt fix everything! wink

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Doesn't the "Infinite Frontier" (or is it Infinite Crisis) Handle that problem? Or create infinite more?


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Originally Posted by Eryk Davis Ester
I'm pretty sure DC has a new big Crisis event coming out soon that will no doubt fix everything! wink


Golden Beetle told Wally he has 5 more crises! ElasticLad


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That should give us at least three more Legions! wink

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Some interesting points here!

The X-Men DEFINITELY have way more diversity than the LSH - including many "alien" looking mutants, who all also happen to be "human" beings (yes, homo superior vs. homo sapiens, but still). which also makes them a bit more relatable.

And yeah. Marvel has quite a few big properties (X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man...) while DC is still struggling to get past Batman and Superman and lately the Justice League and somewhat the Titans...

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I'm pretty sure DC has a new big Crisis event coming out soon that will no doubt fix everything! wink


Golden Beetle told Wally he has 5 more crises! ElasticLad

Any relation to Gold Lantern? tongue

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Only Bendis Knows. urk

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Originally Posted by Invisible Brainiac
Some interesting points here!

The X-Men DEFINITELY have way more diversity than the LSH - including many "alien" looking mutants, who all also happen to be "human" beings (yes, homo superior vs. homo sapiens, but still). which also makes them a bit more relatable.

And yeah. Marvel has quite a few big properties (X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man...) while DC is still struggling to get past Batman and Superman and lately the Justice League and somewhat the Titans...

It kind of astounds me at how narrow the thinking is at this company whose job is to create stories (well, more specifically, WB's job is to take a universe - Batman, Wizarding world, etc - and squeeze every last cent they can from it) has a lack of imagination AND quality writing on how to approach the Legion. These guys couldn't make the Legion Academy work for new characters in New 52. I had a thought to create a "JLI" kind of situation with taking a couple established Legionnaires and have them set up shop in a new quadrant or whatever to set up a new Legion field location to get new recruits, but at the end of the day, its just Legion Academy and/or the reboot outpost.

Unless they can get good editorial direction and writing, I dunno. shrug


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One thing that's always going to frustrate me about Bendis's Legion is the fact that you would think that bringing Superman's son into the Legion would be the perfect opportunity to finally move the team on the next generation. But instead, we once again get completely new iterations of the classic characters. This time Phantom Girl is purple and dating Mon-El! It's so innovative!

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But she has a phantom hula hoop of doom!!!


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LOL .... and by "innovative" I'm guessing you mean boring, dull, and/or unimaginative.


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But she has a phantom hula hoop of doom!!!

LMAO!!!


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Gaseous Lad #1003017 05/31/21 07:24 AM
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But she has a phantom hula hoop of doom!!!

that hula hoop is a deadly weapon!

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ajohns2012 #1003018 05/31/21 08:33 AM
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I actually think the concept is neat - for a different character.

A few boots ago that was Gates' schtick. Now Tinya is purple with extra powers!


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ajohns2012 #1003022 05/31/21 09:48 AM
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Okay, can someone post a panel or two of the Phantom Hula Hoop in use so I can satisfy my curiosity without actually having to waste any money? It sounds great, actually.


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Here ya go. She stows it over her head like a halo when not in use.

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That's pretty neat, actually.

Too bad they had to pair her with yet another strongman guy, though. That seems pretty lazy.


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