Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Superman #14/Supergirl #33/Superman #15/Superman #16

They say patience is a virtue. Depending on your comic shop's compliance, you might have to wait another two weeks for the issues. But at least the covers will have Legion branding:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/08/09/comic-stores-destroy-copies-superman-14-supergirl-33/

Did we know Supergirl #33 had Legion content before?

Yeah my boss just called and said they're recalling the issues. Hmm...

Considering the massive planning/preparation that is supposed to have gone into this, the news is a bit disheartening.

When I saw the headline, I thought it was because they were changing the ethnicity of the Legion cast around one more time before the launch.

What are all the tie-ins? I thought Superman 15 was the beginning. Is it Superman 14-15, Supergirl 33, Millenium 1-2, then the Legion series? Our scroller lists Superman 13, as well, but shows it coming out in November?!?

Superman #13 is already out, but I don't believe there is any Legion content.

I think the speculation is that they show up near the end of Superman #14, but it's not really clear.

Sorry, forgot to update the text. It's the cover for SUPERMAN VOL. 2: THE UNITY SAGA: HOUSE OF EL HC, which comes out in November.

Also, we've known about Supergirl #33 for a month or so when they changed the cover then to add the Legion symbol. Don't know why they waited this long to make the change in publication, though.

Guys, um, I might be able to see what goes on in the issue depending on when my store gets the copies.

The weirdest thing is that they're changing the Supergirl cover... to an almost identical one by a different artist [to the point that the replacement even signs it as "after" the original artist]. Why?

I wonder if this means that they won't be available on Comixology

For those wanting to see higher res versions of the Legion-related pages...see below...SPOILERS for those that haven't seen them.

Here's the original scans in case the above aren't readable. These are too big to display, so only links.

Original print vs. New print




I think it's simply a matter of Ryan Sook designing Legionnaires, in this case Lightning Lad as white with a weird mohawk hairstyle. Then they started working on the series and came up with better designs and story details that made sense to have Garth and Ayla look differently. Unfortunately, the initial designs were made public and other artists drew covers/pages with the initial designs. DC decided to correct the initial art as best they could but Superman #14 and Supergirl #33 may have been too far down the pipeline to get all of the changes in necessary in time. I don't think there was any sort of controversy or disagreements between anyone involved. That's just people trying to start rumors/controversy.

I picked up Superman and the DC Preview. No sign of Supergirl, and Counter Guy didn't on when it would be in, even hinting that we might not get it! Has Counter Guy been possessed? Is he hoarding all copies of *every* Supergirl version for himself? ID DC's handling of this been muddled? Stay tuned to your Omnicom!

Supergirl comics out September 4th. Next week, along with Legion of Super-Heroes: Millennium #1.

Given that we've pretty much all seen the relevant pages from Superman #14 for weeks, is it worthwhile starting a new thread on it now that it's officially out? Or just talk about it here?

Anyway, I read it. Not a whole lot to say, other than whatever one thinks about the Legion redesigns, I'm pretty sure the decompression is going to drive me nuts.

Updated the title to make a more general discussion thread for these two books, which are basically the same story from different perspectives.

SPOILERS AHOY!


Overall, it's a mixed issue, taking the story on it's merits rather than the Legion parts. I was initially a bit underwhelmed by it, but having typed the below it's grown on me a bit more.

Every cast member gets to say part of a sentence. It happens with both group encounters in the issues, firstly with the Super-cast and then with the arrival of the Legion. Bendis may think that it gives dialogue to more cast members. It actually, makes them all completely interchangeable and devoid of any individuality. Had they been possessed by a villain, then it might work. Other than that, it doesn't bode well for a team book.

This is a finale. As I've only read 1 previous instalment, I imagine that the hordes of wordless bystanders all played their part at some point. There's little explanation in the dialogue. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem. After all, it's my fault for not picking up the story. However, this issue is one that DC should know will pick up some new readers. Apart form there being some sort of secret conspiracy behind Krytpon;s destruction and everyone suddenly fighting because of it, there's not much weight behind the payoff of the issue.

Considering there's 4-5 panels for a lot of the pages, plus a couple of double splash pages, there's not exactly a lot of room for the story. That might be another issue with a Legion book: readers used to having more pages & plot in an issue finding that Bendis gives them a word or two of someone else's sentence in a splash page.

The fight scenes are brief which is fine as half the cast would have died through Kryptonite poisoning had they continued. The villains turn on each other. Jor-El seems happy to let them all die while Kal saves everyone with the helopp of some arriving cavalry. They're all promptly picked up for affray by the Hawk police. Considering the space, this moves on at a fair pace.

Superman delivers an or-else proposal to large group of planetary representatives. Superboy's idea is to form a united planets, modelled after our own United Nations. Strangely, no one else in the room has thought of this, despite previously published alliances. Hopefully, they all pick up on Superboy's ideal of what such an organisation *could* be. Any planet that has a problem or needs help can get it, while deals and conversational will all happen in the open.

Perhaps their lack of enthusiasm is because they know that, if they followed our actual UN, in a month the Khunds and the Thanagarians will have deadlocked a security council, Kanjar Ro will be using economic blackmail to covertly take over another planet and the Psions will experiment on an entire race while everyone wrings their hands in outrage.

Fortunately any awkward cynicisms (or having to plot it) is swept aside by a deus ex machina….of space...from the 31st (and it is the 31st) century. The Legion arrive from the future to tell everyone that they did agree to all this. It's something I hope is explored. What if it was only the arrival of the Legion that swung the balance? What was the alternative timeline? Perhaps in that one, the cast ethnicity was as originally previewed and DC didn't have to recall loads of books to pulp There are two men called Dox in the room. Hopefully one of them will get the ball rolling. Perhaps the one from the future is behind it?

Another interesting idea is that Saturn Girl expects both eras to share information. They offer Superboy membership as a method of sharing information. I guess they can put away that mindwiping machine this 'boot. A couple more panels in the page could have made more of Superman thinking the invitation was for him. We only see his surprise ("huh"), so there's still time of Imra to tell him he has to pass an initiation test first.

It's the idea that the future might effectively be shaping its own past that it the highlight of the issue. I'm not sure that this in intentional, but I hope so. Superboy using the information he learns in the future is a far cry form wiping his memory as in the Silver Age. As a finale, it certainly packs in a climactic battle along with some repercussions and a further payoff from the future. That's not bad considering the limited number of panels. Having not read previous instalments, I can't say if a reader felt short-changed by the amount in the issue or not. The arrival of the Els, the formation of the UP, the Legion arrival, the misinterpreted invitation and Jon getting asked to join are all solid beats. Superman not being like his father and Zod and Ursa's dialogue free moments are added bonuses.

As for the Legion, it's a group shot before focusing in on the three founders, in a nice nod to tradition. There's not much that hasn't already been revealed. Someone looks a lot more like Phantom Girl is about it. Back in Adventure #247 Superboy could see that he was joining a Legion. There were plenty of faces in the background. This time round, we know who they are as Jon will be joining a cast that very possibly went through a lot of adventures similar to those we 've seen in previous volumes. It's no surprise that the Legion and its impact are the highlights.

The take on the United Planets is definitely an interesting one. For once, it is firmly established that it is more on the lines of the United Nations than the United States, which has often been an ambiguity in past versions (usually it seems to me closer to something like NATO or maybe the EU). I mentioned in the big Bendis/Sook thread that a big difference is that the UP is usually taken to center around Earth and her colonies/seed worlds, but it's especially weird to note that groups like the Dominion and Khunds, which are usually rivals to the United Planets, are apparently being integrated into it from its foundation (maybe that will change by the 31st century?).

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that a few minutes after the Legion showed up, the meeting place was fated to be bathed in stray gases from the Brotherhood Nebula, which would've caused feeling of peace and unity among the delegates and convinced them to adopt the proposal, and thus the Legionnaires didn't affect history at all!

I think those stray gases might be from the new, spaced out Element Lad's flatulence.

While the Legion tell us that Unity Day was the formation of the UP, it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone in the room joined it. I imagine a fair amount of stalking out of the room in a Huff...Of Space!

I just loved that Invisible Kid was all over this issue!

I’m trying to avoid spoilers until I can read the issues myself but I do have to say the art by Ivan Reis and Kevin Maguire is pretty beautiful to behold!

I thought it a nice touch that Maguire gets to be involved in the start of this, as he was the last artist and the end of the last volume. I'd be thrilled if he could do a few fill in issues (at least) in the new run.

Also, he got thrown under a bus in the JLA 3000 thing. But mainly the first point.