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This is the JLA Villains Idol. I have given them the name Legion of Doom due to it's popular use in cartoons, and it rolls nicely off the tongue. Due to events out of my control in real life, I kind of want to start planning the next game in order to get some escape. I also realized I am on vacation the first week of August so I might end up starting the game in about two weeks, unless of course we are in a heated debate over who to include. The planning for Villain Idols encounter one of two problems

1) We have too many villains and need to narrow it down to a reasonable number.

or

2) We have too few villains and need to raid encyclopedias to reach at least the hundreds.

The first scenario applies to the Legion of Doom Idol. Should we just include exclusive JLA villains or those that are combined teams? Should we try to include everyone that appeared more than twice or exclude some of more unusual Silver Age villains? Should we include the animated versions, some of which are very good, in this game? Such is the task that we must decide while chilling in our cool skull-shaped headquarters...

As was my position in previous Idols, I'm all for including as many villains as possible! We tend to eliminate a lot in the first few rounds anyway

Yeah I'm all about inclusion .. even though the list can be MAMMOTH

Has Mammoth fought the JLA too? Gosh, it is a big list.

Well, Mammoth did punch Superman in that one issue, so of course he must be included!

I have started creating Draft One of our list. I have decided to start with the lists in the Lego games because they usually include everyone (even if it is just a skin). Please feel free to comment on any of the characters as it pertains to JLA continuity or lack thereof. Please note that since I am using video games first they might be including more characters than in the comics. I will split the characters up to multiple versions once we have the initial list set up.

Should I list all various Red/Yellow/etc Lanterns as JLA villains or save them for another game?

Off the bat, your host is biased towards Giganta.


The Riddler
Deadshot
Darkseid
Metallo
Trickster
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Composite Superman
Black Adam
Kalibak
Deathstroke
Scarecrow
King Shark
Professor Zoom
Cheshire
Bat-Mite
Cheetah
Black Manta
Star Sapphire III
Desaad
Manchester Black
Catwoman
Brainiac I
Doomsday
The Penguin
Bronze Tiger
Killer Croc
Giganta
Firefly
Frankenstein(no idea where Lego got this from)
Captain Cold
Cyborg Superman
Sinestro
Parasite
Merlyn
The Joker
Soloman Grundy
Gorilla Grodd
Toyman
Plastique
Heatwave
Killer Frost
Lex Luthor


My source list: http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/LEGO_Batman_3%3A_Beyond_Gotham

Upon review of my initial list, I will have to go to a JLA encyclopedia or Index to get the JLA specific villains. If anyone has one at hand, please feel free to make a separate list and I will merge them together.

Maybe this is just me, but 90% of the characters on that list aren't JLA villains IMO.

They are villains associated with individual JLA members, yes, but very few of them have ever been considered a primary antagonist of the team itself as far as I know.

If this game is going to include every member's villains, then it should probably be more aptly called DCU Villains Idol, but then the list will be endless.

Wikipedia has a pretty well researched list of JLA villains that seems to be enough for an Idol game:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Justice_League_enemies

I will go through the general wiki over the next few days, as I have a funeral to attend. I am reluctant to copy-paste do to overlap.

I remember most of the characters the Lego games choose from the cartoons, to be honest, so that is why I didn't mind using at as my first source. I'm wondering if this game is warranting putting Super-Friends and JLU versions of the characters...you know me from previous games that I am reluctant to do so. I realize while typing this that majority of my JLA knowledge comes from cartoons and video games. That might be the same with some other members of the forum as well.

Edit: This is the initial merging of the two source lists. I filtered out a lot of the villains that seemed to be villains-as-plots, i.e a villain that consumes stars. There seems to be quite a few of them, so unless any of them are super significant I really don't want to include them. It would be like a game with multiple Galactuses.

Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anansi
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Bat-Mite
Black Adam
Black Manta
Brain Storm
Brainiac I
Bronze Tiger
Captain Cold
Catwoman
Cheetah
Cheshire
Circe
Commander Blanx
Composite Superman
Crucifer
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
David Graves
Deadshot
Deathstroke
Desaad
Despero
Doctor Destiny
Doomsday
Doomsday
Felix Faust
Fernus
Firefly
Frankenstein
Garn Daanuth
Getaway Mastermind
Giganta
Gorilla Grodd
Grayman
Headmaster Mind
Heatwave
Hyathis
Imperiex
Kalibak
Kanjor Ro
Kid Amazo
Kilg%re
Killer Croc
Killer Frost
King Kull
King Shark
Kromm
Lex Luthor
Lord of Time
Magog (Kingdom Come)
Malefic
Manchester Black
Menagerie Man (Superfriends)
Merlyn
Metallo
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Nick Necro
Omega Man
Paragon
Parasite
Per Degaton
Peraxxus
Plastique
Professor Ivo
Professor Zoom
Prometheus
Queen Bee
Queen of Fables
Rama Khan
Saturna
Sayyar
Scarecrow
Shaggy Man
Simon Magus
Sinestro
Siren
Soloman Grundy
Sonar
Spaceman X
Star Sapphire III
Starro
T.O Morrow
The Construct
The General
The Joker
The Key
The Marshal
The Penguin
The Riddler
The Weapons Master
The Wizard
Toyman
Trickster
Troll King
Ultra-Humanite
Warlock of YS

Some notes

- Frankenstein is a hero in DC Continuity.

- It's spelt "Solomon Grundy"

- You have Doomsday twice

- I'll list off some more JL Villains later, but Royal Flush Gang is the most conspicuous absence at first glance. Would each member get an entry (there were a few Aces, but only one Jack as I recall)?

Here's a decent list.

http://www.cosmicteams.com/jla/jlafaq06.html

I am going to have to go through the previous Idols and see what the precedent is for small teams. I feel like we reached a conclusion, but I don't remember which game it was.

Depending on whether or not small teams are allowed, the Appelaxians are another conspicuous absence, considering there would never have been a Justice League without them.

Abnegezar
Rath
Ghast
Neron
Asmodel
Alaric
Eclipso
Floronic Man
Libra
Manga Khan
Privateer/Star Tsar/Manhunter
Mister Nebula
Scarlet Skier
Overmaster (and the Cadre as individuals?)
Queen Bee II
Spirit King
Red Tornado/Tornado Tyrant
Vandal Savage

Groups who's individual members may count:
Cadre
Hyperclan
Royal Flush Gang
Various Injustice Gangs/Leagues
Crime Syndicates (Earth 3 & Anti-Matter)
Appelaxians
Secret Society of Super Villains
The Society
Manhunters

So I went through the Spider-Villain Idol, and it appears that I ended up listing the Enforcers as individuals but somehow the Circus of Crime got in as a group. On the bright side we don't have to worry about the rule/exceptions for belonging to multiple teams for this game. I will update the list later tonight in this post with some of Dave's suggestions.

On Alien Races: I remember not wanting to include entire races as enemies in the LSV Idol, but I might have let them in per Invisible Brainiac's arguments. This is another case where I will have to go back and check the precedent.

Abnegezar
Alaric
Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anansi
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Asmodel
Bat-Mite
Black Adam
Black Manta
Brain Storm
Brainiac I
Bronze Tiger
Captain Cold
Catwoman
Cheetah
Cheshire
Circe
Commander Blanx
Composite Superman
Crucifer
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
David Graves
Deadshot
Deathstroke
Desaad
Despero
Doctor Destiny
Doomsday
Eclipso
Felix Faust
Fernus
Firefly
Floronic Man
Garn Daanuth
Getaway Mastermind
Ghast
Giganta
Gorilla Grodd
Grayman
Headmaster Mind
Heatwave
Hyathis
Imperiex
Kalibak
Kanjor Ro
Kid Amazo
Kilg%re
Killer Croc
Killer Frost
King Kull
King Shark
Kromm
Lex Luthor
Libra
Lord of Time
Magog (Kingdom Come)
Malefic
Manchester Black
Manga Khan
Menagerie Man (Superfriends)
Merlyn
Metallo
Mister Nebula
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Neron
Nick Necro
Omega Man
Paragon
Parasite
Per Degaton
Peraxxus
Plastique
Professor Ivo
Professor Zoom
Prometheus
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Queen of Fables
Rama Khan
Rath
Saturna
Sayyar
Scarecrow
Scarlet Skie
Shaggy Man
Simon Magus
Sinestro
Siren
Solomon Grundy
Sonar
Spaceman X
Spirit King
Star Sapphire III
Starro
T.O Morrow
The Construct
The General
The Joker
The Key
The Marshal
The Penguin
The Riddler
The Weapons Master
The Wizard
Tornado Tyrant
Toyman
Trickster
Troll King
Ultra-Humanite
Vandal Savage
Warlock of YS

I think these 3 should be added:

- Aquarius (killed Larry Lance causing Black Canary to join the team).
- Starbreaker (one of their most powerful enemies and fought multiple versions of the team).
- Doctor Light (fought the team repeatedly, including in one of their most famous/infamous tales, Identity Crisis).

I'd argue to remove the following as they haven't fought the League that I'm aware of:


Bat-Mite
Black Adam
Bronze Tiger
Composite Superman
Heatwave
Killer Croc
King Shark
Manchester Black
Metallo
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Trickster

^ Seconded.

Was a decision made regarding the small groups of enemies? It seems very weird having a list of JLA enemies without these famous perennial foes:

Royal Flush Gang
Crime Syndicate
Cadre
Conglomerate
Extremists
Manhunters

Also, I think these foes who have opposed the team a few times should be added:

Overmaster
Hector Hammond
Tattooed Man
Blockbuster

These prominent one-offs could also be considered:

Nebula Man
Nekron

Re teams/small groups, I can't remember if we ever had a decision. On one hand, some groups have certain members who stand out (Dreamslayer for example menaced the League solo and was responsible for Silver Sorceress' death).

For the Royal flush Gang, most incarnations don't have much individuality, but then we also have Amos Fortune... and one of the satellite Era versions got some good individual characterization I remember

This might have to be decided case to case.

What about Calculator (their version of Oracle)?

Re: groups.

I think a good rule of thumb would be that groups who don't have individual members represented (e.g. all of the groups I listed) should be included whereas groups that are comprised of characters who also fought the team individually (e.g. Injustice League, Crime Champions, SSoSV, etc.) should not. That way, important characters/teams are included without any doubling up.

Re: Amos Fortune/Royal Flush Gang and Overmaster/Cadre - I consider both of those "leaders" as sort of separate from their teams since the teams have acted independently of those characters many times since their introductory stories. For that reason, I think all four entities should be listed individually.

I will remove all of Dave's suggestions with the exception these two:



I remember Black Adam being extremely prominent as a villain around the time of Infinite Crisis. Geoff Johns loves him so he was in a ton of books. Does that count as a Justice League villain? If not, I think I will start going through the cartoon lists as I feel like there are more well-known villains that should be included.


He is cited as fighting them on the main wiki page so I want to keep him on the list for now.

Black Adam fought just about everyone (expect the big three) during the 52 series, but there was no Justice League at that time.

I've double checked Manchester Black's Wikipedia page and I don't see encounters with the JL. His sister lead the JL:Elite, but he only really fought with Superman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Black

I have come to realize I will have sporadic Internet access this weekend as I have to help my aunt. Would you all like to edit the list or wait until I get back? I am okay with adding all of Blacula and Jfposey's suggestions.

I'll help you out Emily.

UPDATED LIST:

Alaric
Amazo
Amos Fortune
Anansi
Anti-Matter Man
Anton Allegro
Appelaxians
Aquarius
Aryan Brigade
Asmodel
Black Adam
Black Manta
Blockbuster
Brainstorm
Brainiac
Cadre
Calculator
Captain Cold
Catwoman
Cheetah
Cheshire
Chronos
Circe
Commander Blanx
Conglomerate
Construct
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter)
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3)
Crucifer
Cyborg Superman
Darkseid
David Graves
Deadshot
Deathstroke
Demons Three
Desaad
Despero
Doctor Destiny
Doctor Light
Doomsday
Eclipso
Extremists
Felix Faust
Fernus
Firefly
Floronic Man
Garn Daanuth
General
Getaway Mastermind
Giganta
Gorilla Grodd
Gray Man
Headmaster Mind
Hector Hammond
Hyathis
Hyperclan
Imperiex
Joker
Kalibak
Kanjor Ro
Key
Kid Amazo
Kilg%re
Killer Frost
King Kull
Kromm
Lex Luthor
Libra
Lord of Time
Magog (Kingdom Come)
Malefic
Manchester Black
Manga Khan
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Marshal
Menagerie Man (Superfriends)
Merlyn
Mirror Master
Mister Nebula
Nebula Man
Nekron
Neron
Nick Necro
Omega Man
Overmaster
Paragon
Parasite
Penguin
Per Degaton
Peraxxus
Plastique
Poison Ivy
Professor Ivo
Professor Zoom
Prometheus
Queen Bee
Queen Bee II
Queen of Fables
Rama Khan
Riddler
Royal Flush Gang
Saturna
Sayyar
Scarecrow
Scarlet Skier
Shadow Thief
Shaggy Man
Simon Magus
Sinestro
Siren
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar)
Solomon Grundy
Sonar
Spaceman X
Spirit King
Starbreaker
Starro
Star Sapphire III
Tattooed Man
T.O. Morrow
Tornado Tyrant
Toyman
Troll King
Ultra-Humanite
Vandal Savage
Warlock of YS
Weapons Master
Wizard

ADDED:

Appelaxians (they were more like a villain team who happened to be aliens, rather than representatives of their race the way Khunds or Dominators might be)
Aquarius
Aryan Brigade
Blockbuster
Cadre
Calculator
Chronos
Conglomerate
Crime Syndicate (Anti-Matter)
Crime Syndicate (Earth 3)
Doctor Light
Extremists
Hector Hammond
Hyperclan
Manhunters
Mark Shaw (Manhunter/Privateer/Star-Tsar)
Mirror Master
Nebula Man
Nekron
Overmaster
Poison Ivy
Royal Flush Gang
Shadow Thief
Snapper Carr (Star-Tsar)
Starbreaker
Tattooed Man

COMBINED:

Abnegezar
Rath
Ghast

into

Demons Three (since they only ever appeared as a unit)

REMOVED:

Bat-Mite
Bronze Tiger
Composite Superman
Heatwave
Killer Croc
King Shark
Metallo
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Trickster

Thanks Blacula!