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does Shooter read this board? if so, I think I may have a no-prize coming. Gazelle is working for a new U.P. sponsored gang,er, group of powered teens. she doesn't look alien at all. in fact in this issue she looks like a generic hot girl(think cw teen drama)

lots of good sight and verbal gags from Cham. he hits on a bird, I think he's lonely.

the autopsy or is that necropsy?, doesn't go well.

I think Projectra is possessed. and the scene in the square as a rather funny resolution.

M'Rissey is way to smart and sneaky for his own good.

lastly more underwear shots and more implied Legion after dark.

long live legion(this version anyway)

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The Cham scene where he did the finger puppets of his teammates while Ayla was scolding Brainy and Saturn Girl was priceless.

I had to look at it a couple times before I got it. Cham is a funny guy.

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lastly more underwear shots
Great!! Anymore of Lightning Lad in undies??

I am not picking my copy up until Saturday

Still no Dreamy?

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This was another fantastic issue. Aaron Lopresti did a surprisingly good job of standing in for Francis.

I'm disappointed to see M'Rissey using his powers for evil purposes. Hopefully he's doing this as a way of secretly helping the Legion somehow.

I think the Legion will soon be fighting a battle on two fronts -- against the alien destroyers and against those interfering, tyrannical bureaucrats who are running the UP. If I recall correctly, during Mark's run, Brainy let it slip that he thought the Legion should take over the United Planets government. That doesn't seem like such a bad idea now.

Cham's interaction with the bird seems a bit odd, given that we've been told he doesn't go for fixed-state lifeforms. Was the bird also a Durlan?


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Ultra Boy...

And Hussy Saturn Girl is back. I always knew she was into that kind of stuff.

As for Cham and the bird, I thought he was joking, talking to the bird because the team doesn't understand him.

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the stuff about the ring was interesting. however, the pseudo-science was kept to a minimum. for example it just stated that the ring splits with Triplicate Girl, but it didn't say how. other than it just does. or as Lucy Lawless said to the comic book convention, "A wizard did it". smile

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I am really looking forward to the progress with Jeckie. I agree with the above poster who thinks she might be possessed but some part of me thinks its setting her up to be the new Emerald Empress or a close incarnation. The loss of the homeworld the extremely haughty nature the clinging to a title that really isn't your due to political forces. Its there, or my sleeping pill is making me see things that aren't there or overthink it.
LOVED the Light Lass/Ultra boy bit and Saturn Girl is pretty interesting this go round, I actually kinda like her, which I haven't been able to say since the Universo Project.

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the stuff about the ring was interesting. however, the pseudo-science was kept to a minimum. for example it just stated that the ring splits with Triplicate Girl, but it didn't say how. other than it just does. or as Lucy Lawless said to the comic book convention, "A wizard did it". smile
I remember that back in issue 3, Trip complained that her ring didn't triplicate with her. Brainy must have fixed that behind the scenes.


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I liked the artwork WAY better than Manapul's. Can we make this guy the new Legion artist? Please?

The dozens of future swear words are really distracting and annoying. 2 or 3 would be sufficient I think. Let's see, we've got the D word, the H word, the S word, and the F word. What else do you need?

The artwork in the info section at the back was so bad I couldn't bring myself to read the text.

I also picked up DC Universe #0 (or whatever it's called) for a mere 50¢ mostly just to get the gorgeous 2 page spread of Superman and that OTHER Legion fighting a horde of shadow demon thingies.


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I liked the artwork WAY better than Manapul's. Can we make this guy the new Legion artist? Please?

The dozens of future swear words are really distracting and annoying. 2 or 3 would be sufficient I think. Let's see, we've got the D word, the H word, the S word, and the F word. What else do you need?

what did you like about the new art?

I thought it was okay, but it didn't look as clean as Manapul's. also, Gazelle did not look like her usual alien self, which even if you don't care for the character, was a major mistake. I realize an artist can't exactly duplicate another's work, but to go from alien looking(check out her first appearance) to looking like generic human was a bad moment.

the ring pages art was a bit of a step down from the fill in work, but given all the text boxes, I have the feeling they put in the art to prevent it from being total text. if that happened people would be saying, "hey, it's a comic book, not a novel, where are the pictures!" smile

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The art was okay though I thought it looked a little down from what I remember of his work. Probably the having to reference more than a dozen characters and the time constraints impacted it. He'll be dynamite on Wonder Woman I'm sure.

Yeah I noticed the unalienization of Triton Lass as well. I know some artists have trouble with aliens but that was an extreme case for sure. The inker and colorist should have stepped in and at least painted the big eyes in at least. lol

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I didn't think the art was stellar (but quite good), and liked it better than Manapul's manga style overall.

It's true that I didn't recognize Giselle from previous appearances though.

I wonder if Gazelle is her codename or if whoever said that just can't pronounce the soft g. I think I like it if it is her codename.


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Oh, yeah. It was nice to see Invisible Kid go on a real live stealth mission. It seems like it's been forever since he did anything but pull pranks and spy on his fellow heroes and disappear to follow a crush, etc. He acquitted himself quite well against the monster too, for a Legionnaire with a "run and hide power", Mr. T. Wolf.


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Not to be a nit-picker, but I have a continuity beef about the flight-ring history segment: they'd already been invented by the time that Invisible Kid joined the Legion. I suppose that he could've discovered Valorium before he joined the group, but historically (in all other iterations of the Legion, I believe) Lyle discovered/made his anti-gravity metal as an active member of the team.


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I felt like we got some good continuation of story points in here mixed with some new action and some good character use (Invisible Kid, Spy, and Saturn Girl really shined here, power-wise). Interesting to see Ayla so opposed to Lyle's infiltration. Likewise interesting to see an Imra who pretty much wants to tell the U.P. to go to hell, though with the mission statement of this version of the Legion I'm not finding that too jarring.

This issue was great, but with how long it's taken to get here I felt more underwhelmed than I should have at reveals like the U.P.'s own Legion (which was a bit out of left field anyway). I wasn't sure where Shooter's run was going, and now that I see it a bit more I feel like a little bit of my time has been wasted to get here. Likewise, after Terra Firma and the Wanderers I'm really getting kind of tired of the premise that the Legion needs a Legion-like counterpart to work against. Although ironically of those three teams I'm most excited to see this new one play out and what becomes of them, so I'll give Shooter credit.

I'm unsure what could have been consolidated, but I feel like the reveals in this issue pace-wise should have been an issue or two ago. Maybe it's just me. For example: with all the vague shots and foreboding presence of M'Rissey, what he appears to be up to so far doesn't seem to merit the level of build-up it's gotten. Maybe I'll be proved wrong.

I got excited and thus disappointed seeing what looked like Shvaughn on the cover, only to have that be a herring. Likewise, our cliffhanger with Projectra last issue really served no point except getting more character interaction between Imra and Brin and hinting that once again a Legion illusion caster may have unknown strength powers (such as how Sensor's heightened strength was constantly commented on postboot, yet nothing came of it).

I liked Lopresti's art. I'm pleased with FJM's pencils on the book, though I'll gladly take Lopresti again as a fill-in.

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Sorry, FM, but I enjoyed Mr. Lopresti's LSH more than I've been enjoying yours. Just a personal reaction but I would love to see that style of art on the book as it just seems more "Kitsonesque" to me and I adored his work here.
Good to see JS hitting on the facets of Legion prose this series demands--one can almost sense awe when he narrates "Legion HQ--Command Deck"; he gets the little things longtimers yearn to read and spins a good yarn for the newbies to glom onto.
But he better bring Mon back soon or give us a good reason why not!

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I got excited and thus disappointed seeing what looked like Shvaughn on the cover, only to have that be a herring.
Well, we now know that Shvaughn is out there in the threeboot universe somewhere. After all, Cham cannot create an appearance out of whole cloth. He can only mimic forms he has analyzed with his antenna.

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Not to be a nit-picker, but I have a continuity beef about the flight-ring history segment: they'd already been invented by the time that Invisible Kid joined the Legion. I suppose that he could've discovered Valorium before he joined the group, but historically (in all other iterations of the Legion, I believe) Lyle discovered/made his anti-gravity metal as an active member of the team.
Lyle didn't invent flight rings for the original Legion, iirc. Brainy did, based on an element (Element 152) Mon-El created, which of course wasn't called Valorium pre-Crisis. I don't recall any stated connection to the Nth Metal, either (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

Anyway, it's noteworthy that (a) the 3boot flight ring creation story is almost identical, word for word, to the reboot origin and (b) the Johnsboot Legion flight rings are made of Nth Metal/Valorium as well (as per the Lightning Saga).

Plus, the stunning revelation that the alien destroyers are millions of years old. Could it be the Time Trapper is messing with this Legion, too?

U.P.Y.A, huh? lol

I wonder if Imra's S&M moment was a subtle nod by the writer to S&M=Shooter and Manapul? I wouldn't put it past him.

As for M'Rissey, I bet there's a good reason he chose this particular moment to blackmail a filfthy rich lounge lizard -- when the Legion is 2 million creds over budget. It's his self-imposed initiation test, imo -- to get the Legion free of the U.P.

No, I don't buy Brin's explanation why Jeckie was able to knock him for a loop. Something else else else is going on with her.

Cham is incredibly funny and weird -- just as he should be. Well, maybe not parrot propositioning weird.

LoPresti's art was nice but not especially distinctive or memorable, imo. He can't approach Kitson's classically beautiful style, nor does he have FJM's unique zing. Dealienizing Giselle/Gazelle and inexplicably deferalizing Timber Wolf was the worst of it, but he's nevertheless worlds better than the artist responsible for Neanderthal Lightning Lad in this week's Action (what the Hell was that?)

Say what you will, I love the kooky, chaotic, sexy, but undeniably deadly, universe Shooter is building up issue by issue. Kudos to JS for ramping up the fun, adventure and romance to a new level.

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[b] Not to be a nit-picker, but I have a continuity beef about the flight-ring history segment: they'd already been invented by the time that Invisible Kid joined the Legion. I suppose that he could've discovered Valorium before he joined the group, but historically (in all other iterations of the Legion, I believe) Lyle discovered/made his anti-gravity metal as an active member of the team.
Lyle didn't invent flight rings for the original Legion, iirc. Brainy did, based on an element (Element 152) Mon-El created, which of course wasn't called Valorium pre-Crisis. I don't recall any stated connection to the Nth Metal, either (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

Anyway, it's noteworthy that (a) the 3boot flight ring creation story is almost identical, word for word, to the reboot origin and (b) the Johnsboot Legion flight rings are made of Nth Metal/Valorium as well (as per the Lightning Saga).

Plus, the stunning revelation that the alien destroyers are millions of years old. Could it be the Time Trapper is messing with this Legion, too?

U.P.Y.A, huh? lol

I wonder if Imra's S&M moment was a subtle nod by the writer to S&M=Shooter and Manapul? I wouldn't put it past him.

As for M'Rissey, I bet there's a good reason he chose this particular moment to blackmail a filfthy rich lounge lizard -- when the Legion is 2 million creds over budget. It's his self-imposed initiation test, imo -- to get the Legion free of the U.P.

No, I don't buy Brin's explanation why Jeckie was able to knock him for a loop. Something else else else is going on with her.

Cham is incredibly funny and weird -- just as he should be. Well, maybe not parrot propositioning weird.

LoPresti's art was nice but not especially distinctive or memorable, imo. He can't approach Kitson's classically beautiful style, nor does he have FJM's unique zing. Dealienizing Giselle/Gazelle and inexplicably deferalizing Timber Wolf was the worst of it, but he's nevertheless worlds better than the artist responsible for Neanderthal Lightning Lad in this week's Action (what the Hell was that?)

Say what you will, I love the kooky, chaotic, sexy, but undeniably deadly, universe Shooter is building up issue by issue. Kudos to JS for ramping up the fun, adventure and romance to a new level.[/b]
you know I was thinking the same thing about M'rissey. maybe he will be this version's Brad Baxter(sp?). smile

regarding Cham and the parrot, I just had a horrible thought about whether or not he has propositioned other animals. uh, oh on second thought I need to erase that previous thought.

enemies from the end of the universe, that destroy all life. sounds like a mini-crisis doesn't it.

and your last statement would make an excellent solicitation copy.

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The issue was OK. I dunno - I will give the Shooter eps this much - there is at least some good action in every issue. The curse words got old after the first page, though, as Jim mentioned before.

I guess the good news is that this title won't have to compare with Legion stuff in Action for a while. I found myself just going through the motions when reading 41 and really getting into the Action issue this week.

I am finding the M'Rissey character annoying just because of his name - I think of the singer every time I see the name, and I can't stand the singer.

The flight ring retcon made me roll my eyes - you'd think the folks in charge would at least read the current run before they did these kinds of things. It's only 40 issues, after all - its not like there are 10+years of history with this Legion...


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Not to be a nit-picker, but I have a continuity beef about the flight-ring history segment: they'd already been invented by the time that Invisible Kid joined the Legion. I suppose that he could've discovered Valorium before he joined the group, but historically (in all other iterations of the Legion, I believe) Lyle discovered/made his anti-gravity metal as an active member of the team.
Lyle ran away from home by putting on a Legion ring and jumping out the window. Then he was quickly joined by the rest of the team in flight. They also called him one of "Brainy's Kids", in an early issue so he was probably working with Brainy before taking his leap and revealing himself as a Legionnaire.

Since Brainy mentioned that the rings were expensive, IK must have been deemed important. He was given a ring even before he was with the team full-time. So there's no contradiction in the more complete explanation given this issue, he and Brainy collaborated on the ring and he had one in his keeping when he finally decided to take the leap.

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I liked the entire issue. First, the story is moving along, but i do have to admit that something needs to happen fast with the whole Lightning Lad vs. the Buereucrats (sp?).

"Be shocking.." and he awnsers a call. Classic.

Artwork...as good as Francis is...i love good clean artwork. People often forget that light lass is a hottie and draw her too skinny. Loved the hair and the fact that she looks female, and not like a teenage boy with boobs stuck on. There is a reason Wolf went for her.

But...finally, its time to see some Villians. Buereacrats don't exactly light up the night sky, ya know. Yeah, it makes a good background, but I wanna see the core legion, the real legion in action. I don't wanna see a movement...I want the legion.

So, i liked the whole issue, loved some spots, 'eeeehhhhh' on some others.


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The Aaron Lopresti's art is fantastic!
Very clear and strong, for me.
Better than Francis Manapul.
Jeckie and Imra look wonderful! And Brin, too.
I don't like the tricks with the cover, I'm waiting for S. Erin, and it's only Cham's joke.
And where is Wildfire? It's time for bring him back.


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