Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Let's Talk About LSH #2...(potential spoilers ahead)

I'd be interested to see how DC handles what the present day DCU remembers of the Legion. From their pov, they encounter a totally new Legion every couple of years that have no memory of their past encounters. Now that we have a new team that's already been in existence awhile, could (or should) DC rewrite history so that it was the threeboot Legion in those past adventures? ("Final Night", "Time After Time", etc) It'd undoubtedly cause a new set of continuity problems, but it'd make this the "one true" future of the DCU.

Of course, what might be more interesting is the notion that their past is actually very different from our present DCU...

I would personally prefer that DrakeB3004.

In an interview waid said that the ties to the 21st century would be explored durint the second year for reasons that would be obvios by then. Maybe the 3boot 31st century it´s the future of the all star universe?

I have no desire for one true DCU...but one true Legion.

I could easily be wrong, but I didn't get the impression that the "All-Star" titles were going to exist in a shared universe.

"his is sci-fi that's about the past. So traditional. So classic. So Dad's Comics."

I have to agree 100%. I've made the comparisons plenty of times. Mario said a few pages ago that they could be in the SCA. They need to be more SKA. The modern day swing kids emulate the old swing days in a way that would make the original swing kids scared of them. Trust me I don't want Legionnaires with spikes and whips...but it just seems very Adventure middle aged dad comics for me.

Everything old is new again. Superman cut his hair, as did Superboy (who wore old Superboy duds for a time.). Hal's back. Formerly Known as JL is critically acclaimed, and is getting another few tales in the future. Batman’s got a Robin again, and now a cute new Batgirl. Impulse is now Kid Flash… JSA is now a strong title in the DC line-up.

I think DC made a lot of mistakes in the 90s trying to reinvent basically every character they had… some of it was too irreversible. But on a side note, those were some of the greatest stories ever, Reign of Superman, JLI, Emerald Twilight, Zero Hour…. but most changed the face of the continuity… so much that new readers couldn’t just ‘jump in’ expecting to see the Superman on TV or in the movies.

Now finally things are starting to roll back to when things were good ol’ fun. DC has been taking old things that have always worked… repackaging them a little… and giving it right back to it’s readers. The characters can develop, the stories can be new and bold… but the heroes have to have that same iconic look and feel that most people associate with DC comics. The iconic effect of a superhero is important… you can recognize Superman in any medium, and know his powers, you know his goals... they haven’t changed much. Waid is trying to return the LoSh to those same iconic roots it had veered off the path from. Heck, he’s even trying to establish some iconic elements by exploiting current stereotypes of the Legion… and embracing them.

In my opinion, Waid could single handedly write the world’s greatest Popeye cartoon… he could be given any cast of characters… and give them life… put them in exciting situations, and have them walk out with a bit of character development.

It's classic for a reason. Because it was great. This version is new in a sense too, to acknowledge the changing trends, but without totally changing the product. This version is sexier... it's funnier... and it's very human.

Any speculation on how the oldverse will tie into the new anyone?

Actually I think her vision was correct, she had simply misinterpreted it. A ship full of Legion dummies exploded, which she'd mistaken for the real Legion. I think that's actually the preferable way to go when her visions are used as a plot device which sets a tone of doom. Otherwise she loses credibility as a long range precog, though the Precommando training she's had would make her in combat situations.

I know this series is evolving in our eyes and hopefully the Legion a year or two from now is a bit different than what it started out as.

For all we know they are going to "dirty up" the Legion by adding Timberwolf and Wildfire. Neither is gonna accept Wolf Boy or Anti-Matter Lad fer sure. They can be the rebels within the group IMO.

Waid/Kitson have had talks what makes Brin tick? Brin is THE rebel. Someone who will piss both Cosmic Boy and Sun Boy off. I'm hoping the introduction of one (or both!!!) these characters adds some controversey as the resident bad asses.

I feel that is the key to the new series. I have really enjoyed the first two instalments. The interplay of the characters, humour are all bonuses on top of good plotting, and great artwork. I love the mood changes created by the inks, and the differences already seen in the different cultures through architecture.

With each month we learn more about the culture, and the Legion, so I reckon it'll be six months at least before we have a full view of this Legion and its universe . . . and I for one just can't wait.

Yeah, who wants to see an old guy in spandex?

I still say that the clearest example of the state of the future is 2# where its said that people under 18 are monitored at ALL times.

It also explains why everyone is suddenly extremely unnerved by the fact Legionaires refuse to be monitored like this.

But did they?

It's like this. If Dream Girl is laying in her easy chair and has a future flash seeing Micro Lad crash through the wall, she knows she has to move rather than get flattened. But she hasn't changed the future because she didn't see herself getting flattened, only Micro crashing through the wall. That didn't change. Every element she saw remained.

(I love calling CB Micro Lad. It makes me happy.)

If she had seen herself getting flattened, being a good Naltoran, she would have said to herself, "I'm doomed to get flattened, no point in rushing off because I'd just fail."

Likewise, the Precommandos were seeing what the opponent would do without looking into the results of their opponents actions. In fact, they are probably trained to look at the opponent specificially so as not to pick up any spill over of themselves, and thus limit their actions. This is why Dream Girl's trick worked on them.

Or that's how I see it.

And I love Shady's skin color much better than old blue. Which, given I'm a die-hard conservative who refuses to admit that there have been any Legion stories since 3rd series #50, that's saying something.

Ironically, I was thinking that Brainy needs someone who practices 'odd' science beside him. It would frustrate him even more.

"Well its entirely possible that the universe is occuring simultaneously and all we 'know' about the physics of time progression is wrong. Therefore they are simply seeing parts of everything that occured in the single instance of the universe's creation that our perception moves through."

Well I have to say that #2 was AMAZING.

Barry seemed to have just the right balance of acting and action in these thoroughly (and beautifully) detailed planels. I particularly like the evolution of Shadow Lass's 'look'. Karate Kid was sexy and powerful (a great combo for him).

The assassin translator seemed to be a nod to the Molecule Master. Put a little smile on my face.

Waid has really done some fun stuff with the different takes each Legionnaire has ON EACH OTHER. They're not all buddies, or even readily accepting of each other's abilities/personalities. That's GREAT! The friction between Brainy and Dream Girl was so well played.

In this universe, it might be cool to have an 'adult' team of 'heroes/adventurers' too (Wanderers maybe?), just to sharpen the contrast between what the Legion stands for (and why) in this future.

A great jump after issue 1's set-up. Let's see more!

Andy good idea to introduce an adult team of adventurers heroes...like the Wanderers or even Omega Men. If it's a hit they can spin an adult series.

Finally read #2. Awesome cover. One of the best Legion covers honestly.

Cool first action scene. Nice to see some of my faves in action especially Element Lad. Glowing symbol and all! (i live the glowing symbols!)

I like the "evil" Brainy. As much as I liked the DnA Legion series...I always hated that cute Brainy.

I liked the interaction between Brainy and Dreamy throughout. Also I don't doubt a relationship. Dreamy like Supergirl is a hot babe...I can see the genius falling for the body quite easily. They have that whole Men from Mars/ Women from Venus thing going on.

The best part of this series is Barry's art. I wasn't a fan of his before and now I am. Barry you give us some money panels. The Precommandos look great. Nice fight scene! Don't think KK would go down that easy though.

I never cared for Dream Girl...I may now. War is coming? Who is that guy she saw? Roxxas is my first guess. But it can be anybody.

Ofcourse there is negative. Hey Violet's Story by Levitz/Giffen was my first Legion issue. They were men and women...or young adults. Can't stand short skinny Legionnaires. I thought since the Cockrum era we didn't have any...not sure why we still do. I just can't get into yet. I guess part of the resentment I liked the Legion they did away with better than this. Trust me the plot here is pretty good...pretty grown up...i just can't get into the underagers thing.

I will still buy cause Kitson's Legion looks kick ass and it interesting. But I don't love the title...though I love the Legion.

(i like the SPs and Precommandos more...go figure)

just got finished reading issue#2 can somebody explain the last panel with the goats in braniy's room because that totaly went over my head.

See front of issue. Cosmic boy was told he'd need to use a goat to get one over on Brainy

Ok, but we need a more classic-looking T-Wolf. I can't begin to tell you how much I hated the appearance of post-Furball and reboot T-Wolf. I don't necessarily mind the feral version, but that was never really the biggest part of him. He was all about super-strength and super-agility. I'd like to get back to basics with him.

Also, if the name Timber Wolf is such a problem because he doesn't have "wolf powers", he could always use Lone Wolf (at least to start). It was his original name and would be more of a reference to his sense of self than to his powers. Then, when he changes to Timber Wolf, that will simply be a reflection of him no longer feeling a loner.

A bit of feralness is okay, but I agree the "wolfishness" should come from his personality, not his powers. He started out as a super-acrobat (of space, of course ), and he should go back to that.

*grins* No he couldn't... it doesn't fit the template. And Wolf Boy isn't much of a powers-descriptor, so they might not let him get away even with that. I mean, considering the haphazard naming we've seen so far...

Balance Boy? Acrobat Lad? No, wait. They'll probably want to do a homage, right?

Can't you just envision Brin: Boy Wonder?

*straight face*

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That would make WHO the Dark Knight? Shadow Lass?!?!

LOL

We all have our favorites from past Legions, and we're eager to see how these iterations of the Legion 'act'. (Of course not all of us have our tastes impact the roll call of the Legion - what does Barry have against Bouncing Boy? ) I admit: I wasn't too keen on the Adventure set of Legionnaires chosen to start the series (considering the make-up of that era), but issue# 2, expecially, made me glad that Waid and Kitson are crafting their version of the Legion. For the first time in a long time, I want to see how these Legionnaires come up, interact and grow.

That being said, I can't wait to see their promised new villains. It would also be cool to see some variation on WHO joins WHEN (thus freeing up some room for characters like XS, Dawnstar, Tellus, Kent Shakespeare, Color Kid or even someone totally new to enter).

*nods*

Really, I hope WaK - and any other creators - completely ignore "what the fans want" and just go for writing their story. There seems to be a fair bit of author/reader feedback in comics when compared to other media... but trying to make the *fans* happy is never going to end in anything but disaster.

Of course, if they feel the need to work in what *I* want...

Does she get to wear the costume? If she gets to wear the cowl I'm sold.