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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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It occurred to me while reading that issue, that Jericho is perhaps the only mute hero I've seen. We've got peeps in wheelchairs (Professor X, Whiz Kid, the Chief, Oracle), peeps with missing or non-functional arms and / or legs (Cable, Forge, Arsenal, Silhouette, Karma), blind or deaf folk (Daredevil, Shroud, Blindfold, Destiny, Echo, Hawkeye (at least partially)), etc. but not a lot of mute folk.
The Golden-Age Daredevil was mute.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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There's that one comic that has that chick Saturn Girl who was mute in one version of it...
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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There's that one comic that has that chick Saturn Girl who was mute in one version of it... That reference is too obscure.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Legionnaire!
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There's that one comic that has that chick Saturn Girl who was mute in one version of it... Sounds dull. I bet they don't even have enough story for 49 issues.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Waid and Kitson's Legion was a brilliant re-imaging of what had become a minor DC property. Then Shooter came in, revived a bunch of tired boring fifty-year-old tropes. Then just kinda lost interst. Theend.
I know there are many, many who disagree with me.
Show me the monkey!
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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Waid and Kitson's Legion was a brilliant re-imaging of what had become a minor DC property. Then Shooter came in, revived a bunch of tired boring fifty-year-old tropes. Then just kinda lost interst. Theend.
I know there are many, many who disagree with me. Even though I disagree with you, we here at Legion World always welcome opinions on the Legion which go against the popular consensus. I myself, for example, think that Keith Giffen is the Anti-Christ, and that even his early Legion work is tainted by evil.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Humanoid from the Deep
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Humanoid from the Deep
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Waid and Kitson had an interesting idea on paper, but the execution was sorely lacking. I'm not a huge fan of the Legion being at odds with the UP/society and prefer that they're viewed as a shining example of heroism and selflesness.
Keep up with what I've been watching lately! "Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you."
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Tempus Fugitive
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I didn't last long with the Waid/ Kitson run, but it read better when I got to read a number of issue together later on. I myself, for example, think that Keith Giffen is the Anti-Christ, and that even his early Legion work is tainted by evil. That was a message from the Val Armorr benevolent society. Huge welcomes to the forums Sue Pergirl!
"...not having to believe in a thing to be interested in it and not having to explain a thing to appreciate the wonder of it."
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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I myself, for example, think that Keith Giffen is the Anti-Christ, and that even his early Legion work is tainted by evil. That was a message from the Val Armorr benevolent society. LOL And also from the Keep Most of the Female Legionnaires' Hair Long Society. Huge welcomes to the forums Sue Pergirl! Likewise. Sorry I forgot to welcome you before, Sue. We have a thread in the MMB forum where you can tell us more about yourself. http://www.legionworld.net/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=174771#Post174771And we also have a thread where you can tell us about your roadmap as a Legion fan. http://www.legionworld.net/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=59763#Post59763
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Tempus Fugitive
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LOL And also from the Keep Most of the Female Legionnaires' Hair Long Society. Imra's hair was nicer when it was short. I sense a companion thread to Lash's Costume Face Off!
"...not having to believe in a thing to be interested in it and not having to explain a thing to appreciate the wonder of it."
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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Imra having short hair I have no problem with. And I think Ayla should always have short hair. The others, no.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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I agree on Ayla too. Lu too actually... oh and Vi... gosh there were a few weren't there?
"...not having to believe in a thing to be interested in it and not having to explain a thing to appreciate the wonder of it."
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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Lu? Don't get me started on her. The last-minute haircut before going off to fight the Time Trapper is one of the many reasons I loathe the Preboot Lu.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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It's not well known, but the reason the Time Trapper wears a hood is to hide a really bad hairdo. Lu was either showing the Trapper new styles or having a similarly bad hair cut depending on how you view Lu's hair
"...not having to believe in a thing to be interested in it and not having to explain a thing to appreciate the wonder of it."
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Deputy
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I'm truly surprised that I seem to be the first person mentioning this: Did anyone else notice that the alternate cover of this issue featured Saturn Girl ... who did not appear in the story?! *cough*Panel-Hog*cough*
"Gee, Brainy, what do you want to do tonight?" "The same thing we do every night, Bouncing Boy: try to take over the United Planets!!" They're B.B. and The Brain ...
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Legionnaire!
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Legionnaire!
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Definitely not a fan of the art. The writing was mediocre at best. Nothing bugs me more than the whole "Let's reference as many classic storylines/issues as we can in lieu of actually getting the characterizations/feel right". I mean... Superboy having to be reminded by Ayla not to be self-centered? How bizarre... I think a lot of this has to do with the way Superboy/Superman was written in the Silver Age. There are entire websites dedicated to his behavior during this time-frame; and to put it lightly, he does seem like a jerk to many people. The Superboy/Superman of the Silver Age could solve just about any problem (and he often narrated that to the audience!), which makes it hard to relate to him. As good as some of the Silver Age stuff is (Brainiac, Kandor, etc) the tone of the writing in that era is just hard for some modern readers to understand.
Go with the good and you'll be like them; go with the evil and you'll be worse than them.- Portuguese Proverb
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Wanderer
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It occurred to me while reading that issue, that Jericho is perhaps the only mute hero I've seen. We've got peeps in wheelchairs (Professor X, Whiz Kid, the Chief, Oracle), peeps with missing or non-functional arms and / or legs (Cable, Forge, Arsenal, Silhouette, Karma), blind or deaf folk (Daredevil, Shroud, Blindfold, Destiny, Echo, Hawkeye (at least partially)), etc. but not a lot of mute folk.
Snake-Eyes from G.I. Joe!
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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There's Zorro's sidekick, Bernardo.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Legionnaire!
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When Giffen and Co. relaunched Ragman, he was mute when wearing the rags (then subsequent writers abandoned that).
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Devil's Advocate
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Black Bolt might as well be mute.
Watching television is not an activity.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Tempus Fugitive
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Most of the human cast of Marvel's planet of the apes?
Good spot by BRM.
"...not having to believe in a thing to be interested in it and not having to explain a thing to appreciate the wonder of it."
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Waid and Kitson had an interesting idea on paper, but the execution was sorely lacking. I'm not a huge fan of the Legion being at odds with the UP/society and prefer that they're viewed as a shining example of heroism and selflesness. Yes, the Threeboot did have one or two interesting ideas and, honestly, the idea of Imra (and all of her race, presumably) being mute telepaths was one of the better ones. Having said that, I didn't care for it overall and my my opinions are not based on Keith Giffen being the Anti-Christ, which he clearly is.
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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Legionnaire!
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Waid and Kitson had an interesting idea on paper, but the execution was sorely lacking. I'm not a huge fan of the Legion being at odds with the UP/society and prefer that they're viewed as a shining example of heroism and selflesness. Yes, the Threeboot did have one or two interesting ideas and, honestly, the idea of Imra (and all of her race, presumably) being mute telepaths was one of the better ones. Having said that, I didn't care for it overall and my my opinions are not based on Keith Giffen being the Anti-Christ, which he clearly is. "Eat it, Grandpa!" wasn't an issue for me because I think it was clearly laid out (initially) that both society AND the Legion were evolving towards something better. The problem was the pacing. After a promising start and some great little character bits to establish stuff (The Triplicate Girl issue, the PG backup), the first arc drug on for TWELVE issues, with an ironically forgettable villain whose power was to be forgettable and a ham-fisted resolution. The Supergirl lifeline was clunky, and didn't work well, and then the Dominator war again didn't come off right (I suspect Waid was pretty frustrated by that point). The less said about Shooter the better,
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Re: Convergence: Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #1
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^^Agreed completely.
The first issue was okay, then the next two or three issues were really good, and then it was like a complete collapse as far as pacing went.
I kind of suspect Waid was either annoyed by negative reactions from fans or by plans for Johns's retroboot, and just stopped putting the effort in.
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Long live the Legion!
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Long live the Legion!
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Ah, the Threeboot....
There were some neat ideas, that seemed logical (Titanians having atrophied vocal chord) and one or two I really loved (Dream Girl being able to use her powers while awake, 'Atom Girl' being something of a 'secret weapon' that some believed a myth or prank).
And then there was the odd stuff. In the first issue or two, mention is made of a Daxamite referendum about joining the UP or something, and later, we learn that the Trommites of this AU genocided the Daxamite race! (So who lives on Daxam now? Trommites who took over the planet after killing the Daxamite natives?)
Phantom Girl doesn't turn intangible, she time-shares between her native dimension and this one, which, logically, would make her power a *nightmare* to use. What if she needs to 'phase' but someone on Bgtzl is standing there, or there's a plant or wall or mountain or parked vehicle right there, so that she can't 'go to Bgtzl' from this exact point in space, since it's already occupied? What if the only thing in that specific Bgtzl space here is open ocean, or deep space, or a volcano, or the inside of a chemical processing plant or nuclear reactor or just the fast lane of a super-highway? What an ill-conceived notion...
I *liked* the idea that they were trying something new, to mix things up and freshen the mix, but some of those ideas were clearly not even *remotely* thought out.
And while artistic tastes are subjective, and while Barry Kitson was a fantastic dude, friendly and personable and totally appreciated, I kind of preferred the gorgeous Francis Manapul and Yildray Cinar art that followed.
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