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Top 5 on how you would make the Legion not only work but prosper for the Future and protect it from reboots?

My proposal is an All-Star Elseworlds Legion, not beholden to the current DCU or the next current DCU!

What are the Legion strengths that should be utilized.

1. Give them their very own Kal-el and Kara, an alternate earth version of Kara (Superwoman) and a clone of Kal-el (Superboy)?

2. Embrace all eras and characters, bring in reboot and 3boot as a younger group of Legion Academy members or other groups like a new Workforce or Amazers?

3. Keep as much of the original Legion history as possible and build upon it,
Perhaps use Pre-Crisis Earth 1 history/past as a building block and shape it however benefits this Legion the most, lets see what the legacy of the 20th/21st century Heroes is in the 31st century?

4. A real Sci-fi title with Alternate Universes, Time Travel, Alien species and worlds, etc...

5. Good stories and Art, perhaps a couple of 6 issue mini-series twice a year, one for nostalgia sake with Levitz, Shooter, Bates, Abnett and Lanning with artists like[b][/b] Grell, Sherman, Netzer, Starlin, Broderick, Giffen, or Lightle.
One with new writers and artists who love the Legion, but never had the chance to work on the book.you fix the Legion

I think any lineup would leave some fans unhappy that their faves are missing. But I'd put Postboot (and even Threeboot, if any) stalwarts on the same footing as Preboot mainstays. Why can't Kinetix or Gates join up at the same time as Brainiac 5 or Shrinking Violet?

I guess I was being biased as I watched my Legion grow up and did not want them as teens again but adults with their history intact, maybe the solution of rebooting or transferring the reboot and threeboot characters into their timeline as the next generation of 31st century heroes might not be as appealing to fans of those versions as I thought. maybe some of them could graduate into the adult team like Gates. the book I had in mind to reintroduce the post zero hour team was to have the teenage Clone of Kal-el with his memories of Smallville intact the other members would be.

I don't recognize all those folk (like the ship with the tentacle blobby thing around it), got a roll call?

I spy, with my little eye...

(Top row) unknown ship blobby, Thunder, Superboy, Shikari, Gazelle

(Bottom row) unknown Brainy/Kara mash-up, Ferro, XS, Andromeda, Dead Quantum, Live Quantum, Catssomething, Dragonmage, Computo II, Gates, Monstress, Element / Alchemist Lad, someone I don't recognize, someone else I don't recognize (Inferno?), Sensor Snakejectra, GEAR, another lady I don't recognize!, Invisible Albino Kid, Thought It Was Dawnstar Lass, But Then Noticed She Had Bat-Wings And Dressed Like Vampirella.

(Top row) Membrain, Thunder, Superboy, Shikari, Gazelle

(Bottom row) XTC, Ferro, XS, Andromeda, Dead Kid Quantum, Live Kid Quantum, Catspaw, Dragonmage, Computo II, Gates, Monstress, Magno, Kinetix, Inferno, Sensor Snakejectra, GEAR, Lori Mourning, Invisible Kid, Demon Damsel. ( XTC and Demon Damsel are from Kingdom Come)

As for how to deal with the multiple boots, I'd say 'Embrace the Multiverse.'

It's the 31st century. In the *20th* century, the Earth 1 and Earth 2 Justice peeps were teaming up annually. Earth 3 Crime Syndicate folks are *this very year* (30 years after 'the multiverse ceased to exist, really, forever, retroactively!') banging around on the Justice Leagues Earth.

By the 31st century, I would expect that the existence of, and travel between, the various parallel universes, including some that, back in the 21st century, have yet to even be discovered (or even *created*), should be *COMMON.* Not like, 'we have a crossover ever couple of years.' But, 'Our civilian population can buy tickets to visit Earth 2, and we've immigrated heavily into Earth Umpity Bleem, because of their need for repopulation after the Cosmic Crisis Crossover of Aught-Seventy raptured 85% of their humanoids life into beings of pure spiritual abstraction.'

And so, the Legion should, logically, be in contact with Legions of other alternate universes, and the occasional bit of crossover might be commonplace, so that you might have a book set entirely in the classic continuity, and, oh looky there, Dragonmage and Gazelle are visiting from Earth XYZ and Earth M3-Green.

They know about the other Legions (even if they didn't before Legion of Three Worlds, they sure do now!).

They can hop through space and time hundreds of times easier than the Justice League and Justice Society could, so, really, there's no reason they can't all co-exist, and occasionally hang out, just as the Justice League and Justice Society did, back before the Crisis on Infinite Earths 'forever and ever' did away with the multiverse.

And if you want to avoid having too much 'doubling up' or 'tripling up' of characters like Lightning Lad, Saturn Girl or Cosmic Boy, who exist in all three (plus) alternate Legions, maybe the UP(s) could have some guidelines about people who already exist in a universe have to get permission and fill out forms and whatnot to pop in for a visit, so that most crossover Legionnaires would be Legionnaires who are exclusive to other worlds, like GEAR & Kid Quantum and Sizzle & Turtle.

(And any visits from the 'classic' Legion to the Reboot/Threeboot Legions would be people like Invisible Kid 2, Polar Boy, Dawnstar, Chameleon Girl and Tellus, who don't exist as Legionnaires in the Reboot / Threeboot universes.)

Demon Damsel sounds fun! I'll have to look her up (and XTC, who really does look like Brainy and Superkara had a kid together!).

Ooh, I didn't recognize Kinetix. Ibby's gonna beat me.

Brainiac 5 family man, move over Reed Richards.

The Ranzz's

Er, would you believe, I missed her at first too. I was looking for bits of green in that pic.



Thanks for including so many Reboot and Threeboot stalwarts! Nice nods to Kingdom Come (XTC, Demon Damsel) and Dead Earth (Membrain) too! This is nice, and a nice continuation of the Retroboot.



Well, when I saw the lineup on your poster I realized you were continuing from the current timeline. Adding versions of the other characters to this timeline is a good compromise. From your opening post I thought we were starting off with a brand new reality where anything goes.

As it is, I wouldn't mind a completely new reality. We could visit it when the team is up and running (like in the Threeboot or in the Legion toon). There will be plenty of room to see characters from all realities.

Set's idea is good too though, although characters in the "main" reality (whichever that will be) will definitely get more screen time.

I just want to build on what came before and quit destroying the Legion, let it be all it can be and then some.

An All-Star Legion of the Multiverse sounds good to me.

I'm OK with picking the Preboot/Retroboot reality and adding Postboot/Threeboot characters. Though I have to admit, it won't feel like the Legion I grew up with (and that's why I think a new All-Star Legion would be a very good suggestion). But I agree it would be nice to have an end to all the reality reboots!

Oh, I completely agree. I don't love all Legions equally, but I'm not the only person in the world, and I know that *everybody* has their fans. (Except perhaps Omen and Prophet...)

So I don't want to see any Legion bumped off, or their universe 'sploded. Let them all go right on living, even if we only see them once in a blue moon, in a crossover or limited series or whatever.

Coming soon! Crisis of Infinite Legionnaires!

Brainy - "There's just too many of us! Computo tried to calculate an effective schedule of who's on Monitor duty and who's on Anti-Monitor duty, and he just froze up! I think we are going to have to limit membership to 52 multiverses, with no more than twenty-five members each!"

"So... Earth-Prime Legion only has 23 members. Who wants to move here?"

"And exist in the same reality as Superwhiner Prime? NO THANKS!!"

Fix is kind of subjective so this is a hard question to answer. I guess for me a way to fix the Legion is to NOT have it tied in too much with the past. Time is constantly changing and flowing. It doesn’t matter what happened in the past. Concentrate on the now. Really all that needs to be fixed is making good, interesting stories with good art. Yes I would love to have some characters back or gone but if they are written well/bad then it doesn’t matter. It would piss me off if they brought back Karate Kid just to make him look like an idiot or something. Some suggestions I would have for making a better story is to try fleshing out the universe more. Add in some hero teams that are not associated with Legion but in the same universe. Examples are the Hero’s of Lallor, the Wanderers, Amazers, Green Lanterns, etc. What aliens are a part of the UP and other associations. Don’t worry so much about things that happened in the past. So the Green Lanterns were destroyed in the past but somewhere between then and a thousand years they reformed. No big deal. Learn to ignore some things.

One thing I would like is to have Superboy back BUT not the Superboy from current time (he sucks lol). I want Superboy from the Future of the Legion! Just like in the Animated series. I thought it was really cool idea.

The only way to “fix” the (now non-existent) Legion is to fix DC Comics / Warner Entertainment first.

I imagine the only Legion that could be approved under the current regime is:

It is 1000 years in the future. The Galaxy has been at war for centuries. In desperation, the United Planets creates an elite force: the Legion. Their mission: to assassinate the enemies of the U.P. in the most gruesome, sadistic, and vomit-inducing manner possible. Of course, if the Legion needs information, they may torture first.

Each member hates and distrusts each other member, considering them only one step away from treachery or madness. And with good cause…

I have to agree unfortunately. That's pretty sad. But I'll try to stay positive and hope that someday they will realize readers are sick of grimdark crap.

Oh, for a return to the days when DC was generally bright, sunny and optimistic!

I posted this idea in a prior thread on the subject, but I'll repeat my idea here:

Next Generation Legion: Starts off with young journalist Devlin O'Ryan, disillusioned with his career and his industry, as he's assigned to the "celebrity dirt" beat - his current assignment is to report on wild heiress Celeste McCauley's disgraceful antics (think 31st-century Paris Hilton/Kardashian type). He thinks of his formative years, when journalism reported on positive, inspiring stories, building up heroes (specifically, the Legion of Super-Heroes) to give people examples to look up to, rather than focusing on tearing down the rich and famous so ordinary folks can feel superior. After Celeste gets high and gets thrown in jail, Devlin follows her, and when she sobers up, has a heart-to-heart about her behavior, which is turns out if motivated by a sense of rebellion against the constant scrutiny of her behavior by her parents and high society, and (personally to Devlin) the vulture-like media.

Devlin understands her disillusionment and the two of them go on a "road trip" to meet ex-Legionnaires, hear an inspirational story about the original Legion (including the origin), and get their take about why it all fell apart. This opening arc ends with the last one they meet being eternal optimist Polar Boy, who convinces them that with the proper example, the cynical world can become inspired again. With Polar Boy as their "adult advisor," they start a new "Super-Hero Club" and recruiting posters go out around the galaxy.

The second arc introduces new Legionnaires - Ivy, Kono, Kent, Catspaw, Dragonmage - maybe some kids of Legionnaires, maybe some completely new characters - and they start off with minor hero jobs, cat-out-of-tree type stuff. This phase is about building relationships and about getting noticed. This arc wraps up with one of their "minor" jobs turning out to be much, much bigger - but the kids manage to handle it, and that gets serious notice - from the Science Police, from the public, from villainous types.

Recurring "Tales of the Legion" stories which introduce some element that will bind the old Legion to the new kids, sort of like the "Times Past" issues in James Robinson's Starman.

Long-term - more powerful new members, powers for Celeste and Devlin.

That's an interesting pitch, CMK. Room for the likes of Kinetix, Gates, Kid Quantum II, XS, Magno, Gear, Monstress to show up?

I think Polar Boy is the perfect choice for adult advisor. I always liked the eternal optimist characterization.

I'd read it Chaim, sounds better than anything Mr. Waid ever came up with. love the idea of kids of Legionnaires, would still like to see the old timers reforming as well.

With the Legion more is always better, if it was up to me the New 52 would have looked like this.

I'll probably take the rap for pessimism but I think that, if we're seriously going to have a discussion about "fixing" the Legion then, rather than throwing out ideas, perhaps we should also make a list of what didn't work last time around.

Once that list is formalized, it should be relatively easy to start wrapping good ideas around.

I'll even start... I felt that with the most previous version of the Legion that they were no longer the "teen" adventures from the future that I had grown to love. They were older and, in many instances, ready to move on with their lives.

Frankly, it was watching a FOX or CW television show that started about kids in the same school but then graduated from school and went straight into unrealistic careers right out of high school while becoming relatively boring and yet live in fabulous houses that professional athletes and porn stars couldn't afford.

So... go back to a younger Legion. Having one or two of the old guard around in a mentoring capacity is fine as long as it's kept interesting.

Well, if we're going to start making lists of things that haven't worked, then we need to look back at everything that's gone wrong for the past twenty to thirty years.

Honestly, I'd rather focus on positive ideas than on everything that's gone wrong since COIE or so.

We can build on ideas in this thread about the essence of the Legion.

Some thoughts that came out -

Unity in diversity, camaraderie, and how every member of the large cast is a valued part of the team

Optimism, hope and a bright future (shaped by the legacy of modern day heroes)

Heroic ideals

A sense of fun and adventure

Science fiction elements (we love the crazy ideas about future technology and alien cultures!)

Simple solution: Have the Legion operate in its own, consistent universe and make damn sure it remains completely separate from the mainstream DCU.