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Preview's up.....

That was painful to read.

I think the word I'm looking for is "obnoxious".

I skipped the first issue, and I'll definitely skip this one.

Wow. Did they really need to devote 2 pages to show the League teleporting to that planet?

I can't stand this Superman.

Wonder Woman not caring about the rules of engagement? Oh, for the days when Diana was a smart warrior princess! When Flash is the one telling you to stop and think...

Lantern doesn't have a ring? So his powers are internalized? Hmmm.

Brain-damaged children in adult bodies. Superman, definitely. Wonder Woman, possibly. Flash, Lantern and Batman at least seem to have come out of it pretty decently. At least there's an in-story explanation for why they're acting that way, and it's not just because they want to make the League "edgy".

And they seem to be taking to their "regeneration" quite well.

I still don't feel like reading it though I do want to know who these "Five" are. But frankly the preview doesn't do a good job of building the "Five" up as a threat!

People bought Justice League 3000? I thought that was an urban legend like Slenderman and the Dewey Decimal System.

That was even more dreck than the usual New52 dreck.

As Ibby said, two pages to set up a stargate rip-off and walk through it.

Superman's eyes remind me of the cocaine addicted Hitler/Dynaman from Robinson's Golden Age. A very un-hero like comment when coming through the gate from Superman. He looks positively demented on page 4. Brain damaged children in adults bodies indeed.

If the Flash is worried about throwing up into his mask, couldn't he just take the mask down? Perhaps he has very embarrassing facial hair?

"Why bother with ships when you can transverse form star to star in an instant. Except they didn't. They had to wait for the ship to get to the world and set up a Stargate to get them there.

Wonder Woman is a poor person's Titania here. Titania had a goal. Wonder Woman just wants violence for the sake of it.

In summary it's taken them five pages to appear on a planet, fail to interact with it in the slightest, and use it to leave for another one. It's a bit slow isn't it?

I just read one of Giffen's Legion issues and there were 9 subplots in the first 18 pages. Is Giffen trapped in a glacier? Can Polar Boy help? Oh no, he's in another less edgy universe now.

57,726 bought issue 1 according to comichron.com. I know; I was shocked too.

Wondering how it fared against other "Legion" launches...

Legion Lost 1 (2000) - 21,830
Legion Worlds 1 (2001) - 23,777
The Legion 1 (2001) - 30,419
Legion of Super Heroes 1 (2005) - 50,694
Legion of Super Heroes 1 - (2010) - 44,415
Legion of Super Heroes 1 - (2011) - 45,362
JLA 3000 1 (2014) - 57,726

There's no accounting for taste, I suppose.



I wonder how many of those were multiple purchases by the same buyer. Oh my it's another number 1 issue!!!

Well, the real question is how many readers it retains from month to month.

Also, Sarcasm Lad officially rocks.

Keep in mind that those numbers do not represent actual point of sale copies sold. Those numbers are an estimate of how many copies comic book store retailers purchases on the hopes of selling to their customers. For a book with Justice League in the title, this was not a very good launch sales-wise for DC.

JLA 1 (1997) - 104,486
Justice League 1 (2011) - 171,344
Justice League Dark 1 (2011) 62,856
Justice League International 1 (2011) - 61,079

to pick a few...

Sure, but it was still #23 on the list - four spots higher than Detective #27. And I think with the industry's margins being so low, most retailers probably order based on their regular customers' pull lists plus a few extras.

I'm not advocating for the book - just pointing out that it wasn't an immediate disaster.

So other than being not Legion, did anyone read it and have a good review of #2?

Reviews on regular comics websites (non-LSH-related) have been pretty terrible. Like 2 or 3 out of 10 or one star out of five.

SciFiPulse gave it a "A-" grade: http://scifipulse.net/2014/01/in-review-justice-league-3000-2/

It's hard to tell from reviews really. I don't read the reviews of anyone long enough in comics that I know I'm likely to agree with them.

For all I know the low scores are from people who view the characterisations as so poor that it takes down the rest of the book. Perhaps that's valid, if it's poor enough. Perhaps not. The high score could be from someone with a tendency to love most JLA stories or anything with Wonder Woman in it and so on and so forth.

Worse are sites that are blatant cheerleaders for certain companies. But at least they'll be consistent I suppose. Sales will determine it's fate, but that's not necessarily related with that elusive quality thing.

I do recall a few early post crisis meetings between Bats and Supes where there was an edge to the dialogue. It was decently done. This sounds as though it's a psychotic version of that.

I took a look at it yesterday. The artwork is fantastic but the little I saw of the story was a total put off. It just yells out Cliche to me. So for my Justice League in the future fix I bought the latest issue of the Batman Beyond Universe. Still a great book with a cool future JL.

As I drifted away from DC, I did get an issue of JLA Beyond and it looked decent. It was a few issues in by then, so I didn't keep reading it.

I wish JL Beyond was it's own book but Superman/Batman Beyond is also pretty good. Just wish they would change Superman's Black/Silver costume.

Ratings still high for JL3000: http://www.icv2.com/articles/markets/27835.html but Superboy looks like he's entering the danger zone of cancellation.

I don't really look at this sort of site, so it always surprises me to see sales figures that seem so low.

The JLA franchise looks to be one of DC's more successful ones. I guess we;ll see how it ends up comparing to something like JLA Dark in months to come.

#1 57,726
#2 41,423
#3 33,308
#4 30,127

Crap! I forgot this book existed!