Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Last issue woes....The end of the Legion and my time with DCComics

IT'S TRULY THE END.....Well a few minutes read and there goes our friends the Legion. I wanted to spend a little of my time with everyone here about the END of our heroes. Earth 2?? It actually makes a lot of sense. The "Adult Legion" stories of those Adventure issues and all time up to now kinda of "intact". Yes some hiccups along the way (Fatal five story) but it could be somewhat all of the stories up till now. The major open ended storylines and hanging plot threads are an embarrassment!

We have..

Legion Lost characters? still lost
. Karate kid an illusion? mystically brought back from the dead?
. How many bodies did Duplicate Damsel lose?
. Where is Quislet?
. Where is Infectious Lass?
. Where are the Subs?
. Emerald Empress is Sarya? Brought back from the dead by Projectra?
. Who is injured? Where are Night Girl? Dragonwing? Chemical KId? Comet Queen? Star Boy?
. What happened to Blok, Mysa and Glorith?
. Where is Phantom Girl...why was she written so poorly?
. Is Sunboy really dead?
. How can the Legion be disbanded by the SP?


on and on and on....

and so it goes...and my 37 years of buying comics. I have to say, since 52 started I felt like time was short continuing spending money on poor quality. It's funny, why are we soooo devoted to this industry? I have lived thru so many ups and downs with the Legion. Ups- 1982-1989 run. Downs - Mark Waid's horrible kids against the world crap (I did like Kitson's art). When you eat at a certain restaurant and the food and service suck you don't go back. Even when you give that place a second chance and the food still sucks then you don't go back! Why have so many of us stayed around for so long??

MEMORRIES and LOVE for our the characters!

So, at 46 years young, I really took a hard look at the few comics I still buy . Titans, Jusitce League, and Earth 2 and basically with the exception of Earth 2, this is all crap really!

boring stories, bad costumes, horrible membership's, bad art....etc.. same problems. Does DC not pay for quality? Are comics going the way of the dinosaur?

So this is goodbye DC...I will still follow this great site and all the great fans that I have been posting with since the 90's..I know I don't post that much but I have always been here that will continue...we have years worth of our stories to read over and over again!

THE FUTURE.....

I am an optimist and I do have hope. With the Earth 2 revelation a new Legion is out there waiting for the right creative team to do them right! I really don't think it will be Justice 3000..they might be launched in that book if it does well but I think it will bomb. Think of it teen aged versions again and a whole new history to create. I know it has been tried before...and failed. The stories were repeat's of old stories and some character's were turned into snake's , but if the Legion were ...oops here I go

HOPE

LONG LIVE THE LEGION!

Maybe Projectra is a missing 52 and has her own Earth/dimension. Kind of like a Bob Newhart dream.

For our non-US readers, I'd like to clarify. A Bob Newhart dream is where Bob Newhart dreams his Newhart show is a dream of his Bob Newhart show. Simple.

or

is it the other way around?

I'm sure Grant Morrison could figure it out.

As long as this story went, I think it was shortened by Paul's being informed of the cancellation. I wouldn't be surprised if Tinya's disappearance and a lot of that were written before he got the notice. He probably had a lot more resolutions in mind over the issues that would have come, but he made the decision to just leave them open because he couldn't resolve them the way he intended.

The best evidence I have for this is that Kevin Maguire stated somewhere that he initially didn't know that the issue he'd signed on to do, #23, would be the last issue.

I don't condone Paul's choice to end the series the way he did, but this is an explanation that makes some sense to me.



I'm 43, and this is where I stand as well. I was down to two DCU titles, Legion and Dial H, and both ended this month. I'll never say "never", but this is it for DC for the foreseeable future. I feel the best superhero stories have already been told, and I've moved away from reading them more and more in the past decade. Indies are where it's at in the comics scene these days. If there's a future for the industry, it lies there.

With everything, new opportunities.

I'm still a HUGE fan of the art form.

A good friend in De'troit escorted me to a couple shops up there, which have larger selections than the home store. They helped me select some non DCU stories that were being well received and I liked them.

AND

I'm eating chocolate chip mint ice cream with black raspberries, while posting on LW.

Life's not so bad.

Of all the loose ends Paladin mentions, I think the one about Sensor and KK ticks me off the most. (Though there's plenty of competition there.)

I loved her evolution back in the old days, and I really don't want to think of her as just going off the rails and fabricating a pretend husband because suddenly she can't go on by herself anymore.

What probably shouldn't surprise me, but does, is how these last six or so issues have attempted to 'blow stuff up' and 'shake stuff up' and 'shock,' which was *exactly* what Paul claimed he was trying to do with his return to the title, blowing up Titan and splitting up Mon & Shady and introducing Earth-Man to the team.

It obviously didn't work then, so why did anyone at DC think that killing off some characters and wrecking a bunch of planets and 'shaking stuff up' was going to do any better this time? How hard is it to *build* stuff?

The definition of insanity is doing something that doesn't work over and over, hoping that it will work this time.

That's one interpretation. But remember his previous reappearance in the pre-New 52 volume (issue #6?). Paul wrote that, and Projectra was not linked to that, iirc. She's been off the tapestry since the Emerald Eye wrecked parts of Orando. It just as, if not more, likely that they somehow found each other in the intervening time. Paul obviously had a story in mind from that earlier appearance, so maybe this was his way of showing that they indeed have a happy ending without the time to get into the exact details. Maybe there was no interaction with the other Legionnaires because they just wanted to pick up where they left off and get on with their lives together, putting the Legion part of their lives in the past.

I have mixed feelings about that. I always thought that KK's death was gratuitous and exploitative even if he was never a favorite character of mine. Giffen's blatant dislike of him was so over-the-top childish: Not one of his finer hours as author. But... I really liked where Projectra/Sensor went after that. I would have preferred them to stick with Myg (or whoever) as a new KK rather than bring back the old one.

insanity, doing something over and over...

You mean like

continuing to buy it?

I stopped counting the number of times driving home from the comic shop I asked myself, "why exactly did I buy this?"

Yeah, me too. I'd like to think that I'd eventually have dropped it had it not been cancelled and had the quality remained low. I might have. I DID drop the recent Legion Lost series by around the eighth issue AND sold it back to my CBS! In a way it may have been a mercy that DC took that decision out of my hands. It certainly would have hurt for me to do so.

Oddly enough, this recently ended Legion volume was, I believe, the first Legion series that I've bought every issue of live as it came out! And why the hell I did that I have no idea!

I'm with cleome on this one. Since KK reappeared, he's been portrayed as little more than Projectra's rather docile companion. In LSH #22 his identifier listed his a.k.a. as "Unknown" (it became "Val Armorr" in #23). And in #23, Projectra's epilogue closes with her saying "...night by night as my head rests on your pillow." Maybe that implies closeness, maybe something else. I think Levitz is at least wanting us to wonder if he's real or not.

Perhaps instead of trying to wrap everything up in one issue (the KK mystery, Phantom Girl's whereabouts, Harmonia's "secrets", the 7 Lost Legionnaires), Levitz did the best he could with the space available and left other matters open-ended. You know, just in case. Plus, it would have been tough to resolve everything in the limited page space. We might have ended up even more dissatisfied than we are now!

There you have it. Comic book fans are insane.

I haven't read it yet, but it's sounding better at least than Justin Thyme's wrap up of the Threeboot in issue 50 of that run.

Also a bit depressing that the 'reboots' keep getting shorter and shorter, and end so abruptly.

Twenty three issues seems like an odd cutoff point. Twenty four would at least have been a two-year run, and given a little more room to tidy up the place before shutting off the lights.

Well, it is twenty four if you count the zero issue.

Sadly, Legion was the last DC title I subscribed to as well, after decades of "Make mine DC". I did pick up an Unchained Superman to see how it could sell 5X more copies each month than the Legion, but still haven't figured out why? One thing I did notice is it was a longer read than the Legion has been lately.

Legion was also, for the longest time, the only title I bought regularly. I briefly bought JLA (the run following Infinite Crisis, the one that started with the Tornado's Path) and JSA (around the same time), but lost interest after around 10 issues.

I did lose my enchantment with the Legion after about 30 issues of the Threeboot, then picked it up again with the Retroboot. But probably a year into the volume after Legion of 3 Worlds I started getting the "mehs". Ah well, it's been a nice rollercoaster ride and like I've said elsewhere, we still have our back issues!

The Legion was the last DC title I was picking up. I had actually in the process of dropping it, when I heard that Giffen was coming back.

Before Flashpoint I was down to around three or four DC titles. I gave all of the new titles a chance to impress, but was down to Batman Inc, the Legion and World's Finest. I lost interest in all three, and was picking up the Legion out of loyalty for a while anyway.

The good news is that there are plenty of excellent comics made by other companies. The down side is that none of them will ever connect to that childhood wonder in the way the Legion did.

As for Karate Kid, why exactly did he jump down (a huge height) to face Nemesis Kid anyway and why did the others just fly on?

Once the shock & power value wears off, there was always something not quite right about it. (beyond the writer clearly wanted him dead)