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So…

So it seems like those three were possibly rejected from the Legion, decided to restart the JSA, and then were murdered five seconds later. Well that was pointless.

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I agree, Supragirl. Pointless and all too typical.


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Johns really doesn't like Legion rejects does he.

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Johns still being Johns. frown

Well, on the bright side... maybe he gets it out of his system and Michael Mayne won't be killed in two pages?

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It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.

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Originally Posted by stile86
It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.

Maybe this isn't the Bendis Legion and we're back to the Retroboot.

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Originally Posted by stile86
It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.

iirc, Bendisboot starts in 3019, while the scene shown here was in 3022.

But also
Bendisboot Fate was among the dead Fates.

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Originally Posted by stile86
It's a bit weird though ...
One of the "rejects" that dies here is a Dr Fate yet there was already a Dr Fate in the Legion. Presuming there is only one helmet of Nabu, was this one rejected before or after the six-armed Legionnaire and why? The legionnaire was killed but that only makes it worse because the Legion has a history of accepting replacement characters, and if this one was rejected before the other was accepted then this story happened before that as well.

iirc, Bendisboot starts in 3019, while the scene shown here was in 3022.

But also
Bendisboot Fate was among the dead Fates.
Ah yes. I had missed the year dates. That makes more sense now.
Also ...
I had missed Bendisboot Fate among the dead Fates. Good spotting. Also interesting since he appeared to be kind of disintegrated in the LSH book. Some sort of magic could fix that.

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Interview with Geoff Johns briefly mentions the mysterious Golden Age Legionnaire, but no new information really.

https://www.gamesradar.com/the-new-golden-age-is-about-dcs-past-and-future-says-geoff-johns/

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"One of the things that was important to me was to make sure that when you read The New Golden Age, it isn't just about the '40s and the JSA. It's about the history of DC, from the past to the future," Johns says. In regards to the character Legionnaire, whose visage and information are completely redacted in the one-shot special, Johns adds, "Having that character in there [is] just to signal to everybody that this involves not just the past, but the future too."

I just read Star Girl: The Lost Children and if there were any clues I didn't see them.

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In the latest Dark Crisis tie in called The Dark Army, a character with Multivision, which allows her to see across the multiverse, is able to look at a person and see their alternate selves across the Multiverse.

Apparently, one of Doctor Light's alternate selves is the Bendisboot Brainiac 5. I'm not sure what that implies but it can't be accidental. It really sticks out among the others. Perhaps it implies the Bendisboot is already considered a separate Earth, officially?

Another Dr Light earlier in the issue kinda looks like Quantum Queen cosplaying as Dr Light, but it isn't her. Just a nameless alternate version with different colors.

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Here is a reddit thread with the page.
https://old.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/z270lo/comic_excerpt_lets_speculate_on_the_teams/

On second thought, Brainy might not be one of her alternate selves, but just involved in her alternate self's life. I notice Green Arrow and Captain Cold are in Red Canary's image. But I wonder how he is linked to Dr Light?

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I've no idea what this was supposed to mean.

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I just realized the blond girl with the blue and white outfit behind Brainy looks like Bendisboot Saturn Girl but with blue instead of red. Maybe.

Perhaps this implies Dr Light joins the Legion on another Earth.

I'd read it! God knows she hasn't done much in the 21st century since debut.

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As a big fan of Kimiyo Hoshi, would read it too!

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Not much news these last few weeks, huh? Two things this time.

In the next Son of Kal-El issue (#18) Bendisboot Brainy makes a flashback cameo:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jon-kent-superman-has-a-get-out-of-jail-card-from-the-future/

Apparently John Kent's belt has a bunch of energized gel in it, or something, in case he's ever stuck on another volcano under red sunlight again. So his belt isn't just for show and has an extra power source for him. The belt in invulnerable whenever John is, so if he loses his powers he can just smash the belt's gem and he gets covered in battery goop to give him powers for a while.

And a second reference, kinda, but not really. Another Dark Crisis tie-in this time, but this one explains the new multiverse of DC:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dark-crisis-the-big-bang-details-the-new-dc-multiverse-spoilers/

Barry Allen catalogued up to 2020 Earths total using his super speed. So where is the Legion news? There technically isn't any. Earth-247 is mysteriously absent from the list even though it got name dropped recently and is one of the few Earths outside of the base 52 to be actually important. No more Earth-Prime, but I think it might be called Earth-33 now.

So unless Earth-52 counts as a Legion reference...
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Earth-52 —The Primate Legion, sapient metasimians
...the absence of Legion Earths is kind of telling. Almost on purpose. This issue was written by Mark Waid, and he created two Legion reboots, so its not like it would have escaped his attention.

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Earth-1996 —Mysterious "amalgamated" (?) heroes; requires further investigation?
That would be the Amalgam Universe between Marvel and DC. Interesting.

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Crumbs! I'd be sure to read it, if the people of my universe; Earth-Decades Past Caring, weren't involved in a war with the writers of this stuff from Earth-Utter Navel Gazing. smile


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Mark Waid having a go at fixing the Multiverse, huh?

I'm actually tempted to check it out, along with the other tie-in he wrote that came out recently.

We shall see.

Either way, thanks for bringing it to our attention, Alexander.


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Originally Posted by Alexander
So unless Earth-52 counts as a Legion reference...
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Earth-52 —The Primate Legion, sapient metasimians
...the absence of Legion Earths is kind of telling. Almost on purpose. This issue was written by Mark Waid, and he created two Legion reboots, so its not like it would have escaped his attention..

Given his recent statements about leaving the Legion alone, I'm tempted to think he's putting as much distance from the team as possible. And he was charitable about the Bendis efforts.


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Out of curiosity do you know where I could read Waid's comments? Was it a podcast or something?

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I believe it was this one:

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Mark Waid interview at Word Balloon podcast discussing a wide range of topics including LSH. He wouldn't want to write LSH again. Likes Brainy & Mon-el. Seemed to hint he might be working on a Brainiac 5 story (vague - maybe just playing around or for some guest appearance?). DC editorial hated the reboot.... still have an hour to go on the interview.


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I'm sorry did he mean the Reboot Legion or "reboot" as in Bendis's reboot

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Originally Posted by Sarcasm Kid
I'm sorry did he mean the Reboot Legion or "reboot" as in Bendis's reboot

Turns out he actually meant TMK Legion. I'm guessing he called it "reboot" because of the Glorith-verse thing.


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Originally Posted by Alexander
Barry Allen catalogued up to 2020 Earths total using his super speed. So where is the Legion news? There technically isn't any. Earth-247 is mysteriously absent from the list even though it got name dropped recently and is one of the few Earths outside of the base 52 to be actually important. No more Earth-Prime, but I think it might be called Earth-33 now.

So unless Earth-52 counts as a Legion reference...
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Earth-52 —The Primate Legion, sapient metasimians
...the absence of Legion Earths is kind of telling. Almost on purpose. This issue was written by Mark Waid, and he created two Legion reboots, so its not like it would have escaped his attention.
Oh, it's probably because Geoff Johns Has Something Planned they don't want to spoil, yes. But, I mean, from the perspective of Barry Allen, "Earth-247" should be an Earth where everyone has their 90s origins* (Superman's Byrne origin, Batman never found his parents killer, Wonder Woman debuted years after the others in the "trinity" in late-80s comics, JLA: Year One is the original JLA lineup, Kon-El isn't half-Lex Luthor, etc etc.) rather than whatever happens a thousand-odd years in the future.

[*Bonus points if they added real-time aging so that the "present day" was nearly 30 in-universe years after Zero Hour.]
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thanks for noting down the other things that make Earth-247 unique, Reboot wink

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That seems to have been the basic concept of the "Earth-8" which Johns introduced in Infinite Crisis, which was supposed to be where people like Kyle Raynor would've lived if it hadn't been for COIE. That was pretty much the only worthwhile idea in IC but was never followed up on. And then, instead of making it clear that the reboot Legion was from that reality, they gave them the weird designation of "Earth-247", despite the fact that that number should clearly have been reserved for the Legion that actually debuted in Adventure 247.

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This season, I'd love to have a version of "Its a Wonderful Life" where Geoff Johns and Dan DiDio were never involved at DC...


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