Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Legion of Super-Heroes #3 - SPOILERS

This Shady never did that. That was Post-Crisis Shady.

it's a durlan imposter.

A few thoughts:

1) What is the status of Bouncing Boy?

2) If Talok VII wives marry as much as, say, Liz Taylor, wouldn't their typing skills be seriously impeded?

3) Geoff Johns wrote THE best Legion story in the last two decades with that six part story in Action. That story has become the foundation for the two new Legion-based titles, where before there were none. He can write a Legion story ANY TIME he wants as far as I'm concerned.

This Legion goes up through Magic Wars, doesn't it? Didn't she sever her finger before Magic Wars?

I quit before the 'Magic Wars,' so I have no idea what they are, but, IIRC, Shady severed her finger after Mon was beat up by the Time Trapper, and the whole mission against the Time Trapper was something to do with the 'death' of Superboy.

It would seem to me that the big fight with the Time Trapper never happened in this continuity, since Luornu had two selves before losing 'Una' in the past, and Shady still has a finger, and Duplicate Girl doesn't have Brainy's force field belt (which he gave her when he left the Legion after the vote brought about after he caused the death of Jaxon Rugarth in the fight against the Time Trapper).

The 'cutoff point' must have been before this fight, since none of it's consequences exist.

There is no pocket universe Superboy, anymore, so there's no reason to have a story about avenging his death in continuity anymore. So Shady's finger should be intact regardless of the cutoff point.

Is anyone else imagining a 70s-style cover with Mon-El saying, "Wait! Superboy has to die, or Shadow Lass will sleep with Earth Man!"

No pun intended.

No. Just you, crackers!

And the Time Trapper yelling, "Again with the finger!!"

Upon re-reading, caught the hint that Earth Man's father might have served within the upper echelons of the UP fleet. This might denote a long running rivalry between Kirt and Gim, or even perhaps their fathers, a second generation Allon/Niedrigh feud/rivalry. This may also explain why the former Absorbancy Boy adopted such an extreme xenophobic view (were he a true xenophobe the very idea of initially joining the Legion should have been repugnant to him) perhaps his father perished in a battle against the Khunds or Dominion. However, a more poignant plotline would be if the elder Niedrigh (and perhaps other members in a military family) died under an incident of "friendly fire" which could possibly have turned his son against the other UP member races as well...

Finally got it, read it, liked it. Really well done job by Mister Levitz thus far, lots of intersting storylines, one of which he already ended in a very satisfying way (Saturn Queen).

The only thing I'm still missing is a little bit more of an emphasis on characterization. Thus far, the focus was on the founders and B5 and Earth Man (the new, more and more intersting character). I'd like to see more from Jacques, Tyroc, Tinya, Dirk....

Having high hopes for the "saving the children" storyline, should be showing Garth and Imra at their best!

As for the artwork: Cinar still is okay, but I liked those few pages drawn by the fill-in Francis Portela (he was responsible for the Saturn Queen fight, wasn't he?). Reminded me a little bit of Frank Quitely. Especially liked Phantom Girls face...

hopefully

I hadn't thought of any of that, but you're absolutely right...makes perfect sense when you link all of those things together..

Who's "Duplicate Girl"?

Duplicate Damsel, formerly Duo Damsel. She actually returned Brainy's belt shortly after he gave it to her. Then in 5YL it was revealed that he'd used it to imbue her with her own force field.

It doesn't mean the cutoff point is before the right, it just means the fight didn't happen. Anything that is related to the death of Superboy is no longer in continuity, which includes the fight. Things which happened later but don't depend so much on Superboy's death are still in continuity.

Geoff Johns wanted a cutoff point at Crisis but I don't think Paul is using any cutoff earlier than the end of his series (#63).

If they want a conspiracy story, they can do that...just using some other thing as a catalyst (as they did with 5YL and Daxam.) But until they say as such, I;'m with Ken...everything else happened, just not the fight and fallout portions.

Thanks.
I know Duplicate Damsel (from Lo3W), but the Duplicate "Girl" threw me off.
I thought I might have missed something over the years! LOL

I personally don't see why the death of Superboy still can't be in continuity. Yes, it definitely was not the Superboy they had adventures with, but the Time Trapper still could have manipulated them into thinking it was to set off a number of dominos. It's definitely a complicated spin, but given how much Geoff Johns intimated that the Time Trapper has manipulated the Legion, it's far from out of bounds.

Has anyone anywhere (Geoff, Paul or otherwise) said that any version of that whole storyline (with it still mostly intact the way we remember it as I suggest but with a different spin on exactly what happened as opposed to how it was respun in 5YL) is definitely out of continuity?

It doesn't make sense to me that the cut was after Magic Wars. It wouldn't explain the disbanding, it wouldn't explain the retrobootage of their age (they look much younger now), it wouldn't explain the simplification of Legion universe as xenophobia-driven.
For me, it seems quite clear that the cut-off was right before Crisis. Or (most plausible yet) this is a "parallel" Universe (retrobooted), very similar to the previous one, in which things happened quite like until that moment of Crisis, which never happened.

Wait a minute: you're seriously suggesting that cutting it off after Crisis and cutting it off after #63 would show a noticeable "retrobootage of their age" difference?

I don't see how different cutoffs would change the xenophobia either. You could argue that we don't see it in the original series, but changing the cutoff really wouldn't improve that. The xenophobia is just a retcon (and throwing a couple of retcons in doesn't automatically make it a parallel universe).

I think Paul has chosen Crisis as a cutoff point but at the same time moved a bit forward in time to consider xenophobia as a rising threat. It doesn't seem very likely that this same team, which was shattered by the time of Magic Wars, would be so much in shape as it is. They were older too. Also, the worlds were in havoc. Now, they seem rigorously in so much shape as they were at the time of COIE.

When I say "parallel" universe, it's as parallel as the new Earth-Johns, which is not the original Earth One but an amalgamated Earth that is not the same one that came through after COIE. Meaning: after Infinite Crisis, we cannot say this is the original Legion, but as close to the original Legion as Johns/Levitz decide.

I'm sorry, but I thought I read here somewhere, that Paul had said in an interview that his series was going to start after Magic Wars and include Lo3W and the Action/Legion developments.

And we all know this isn't the same exact boot as the original Legion.
Right?
Because the differences are kind of huge!
(Lar seeding worlds, Kandor, Lana not being Insect Queen, no Pete Ross or Jimmy Olsen stuff, etc..)
In a minor reboot way, I guess, but really, there are huge differences.

This Legion is on the Post Infinite Crisis Earth 0 (otherwise known as New Earth) so by definitition is on a different Earth to any of those that went before. What is being discussed in this thread is how much of the history of any previous Earth's Legion has been duplicated.

As to ages, my guide is the age of the Ranzz twins. They must be about 5. So if previous Legion continuities are still relevant then the current run is about 5 years after 1984's Legion Annual 3 when the kids were born. Though that Annual featured the pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths Legion and we can only assume that the events on New earth were the same..