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"I am the LEGION--you colossal Jerk!"--Garth Ranzz LEGION #63
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Originally posted by Dave Hackett: Malarky. Just to expand on this a bit. I just find this whole set of subplots ridiculous. That Yera's been a spy all this time, even after the first revelation. That the marriage to Colossal Boy was faked (and that the guy who hired her to spy on the Legion isn't familiar enough with them to remember his name?). Even allowing all of that, which is a huge stretch, the whole sequence of events to get her to this point is just flat out ridiculous to say it was planned all along. Add to that the fact that there's ANOTHER double agent on the team somewhere is just malarky. Now I know Chameleon Girl isn't a fan favourite or anything, but she's a character with an established history and at least some characterisation. It seems like another unnecessary change without any worthwhile payoff that's been the hallmark of the DCnU. I was hoping the Legion would be somewhat insulated from this, but obviously not.
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Originally posted by Dave Hackett: Originally posted by Dave Hackett: Malarky. Just to expand on this a bit. I just find this whole set of subplots ridiculous. You had me at malarky. I am stubbornly resisting dropping this title, since I have never willingly dropped a Legion title, but this is just crap.
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This is so ludicrous. I'm not even reading this book and I am too baffled to even laugh at the absurdity of Chameleon Girl being a spy!
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One thing that I liked most about the Legion was their camaraderie. You know, "We are Legion", "Long Live the Legion" and all that. The idea of there being possibly more than one spy on the team... ugh. Doesn't matter who it is, if it isn't a new member I don't like the idea.
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Originally posted by Power Boy: This is so ludicrous. I'm not even reading this book and I am too baffled to even laugh at the absurdity of Chameleon Girl being a spy! She'd be a triple agent then.
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I dropped this title after the 4th or 5th issue...I'll flip through a new issue at the store each month and I'm always happy that my decision was the right choice. I REALLY hope this book is cancelled soon and it's all explained as some kind of head trip dream t legionnaires are experiencing due to being captured...or something?? And then they can be returned to the 30th century where they can fight the Fatal Five for the first time...oh wait...
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Just read #13 today, and I have to say the storyline might actually lead to something interesting. I also feel that it will lead to the end of the series within a few issues now that the Science Police have linked up with the lost Legionnaires. At least they now have a ride home! Just not liking the idea of Tyroc dying in the 21st century. We'll have to see what happens.
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Interesting issue.
Okay, this series has been a train wreck since issue #1. Rumors of its demise are swirling just as I'm starting to get into it. Typical. Dizzying alternate timeline stuff. Traitors, deep covers, and triple crosses! Science police with time bubbles. A troubling gravestone from a thousand years before a hero is born? Okay, Mr. DeFalco, you have my attention.
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Originally posted by jdpinball: I REALLY hope this book is cancelled soon rob liefeld tweeted that it will. we'll probably know if that news is true in the next few days at NYCC.
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What if they were ALL traitors!! Secret agents for the Khunds, the Dominators, Darkseid, The U.P. ... Now THERE is a story that's not been done.
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^^A bit like that Get Smart episode where Max infiltrates the KAOS cell, only to find it's entirely composed of infiltrators from the CIA, FBI, etc.?
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/off-topic/ ^ They've started airing Get Smart on a channel here in Australia again and it's a show I have not seen in about 20 years but OH MY GOD IS IT FUNNY!!!!
Mel Brooks is usually very hit or miss with me but this show has me chuckling or laughing out loud every two minutes! And I don't think I even used to really like it all that much when I was young.
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Having read the issue, my above criticism of these plot points stand. The issue did have some interesting points to offer (Wildfire finally seemed in character, Gates is a little better), but the sudden creation of the Timber Wolf subplot out of nowhere and the cheesy over-the-top villain helped drag it down a little in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Blacula: /off-topic/ ^ They've started airing Get Smart on a channel here in Australia again and it's a show I have not seen in about 20 years but OH MY GOD IS IT FUNNY!!!!
Mel Brooks is usually very hit or miss with me but this show has me chuckling or laughing out loud every two minutes! And I don't think I even used to really like it all that much when I was young. I still want a cone of silence. after all these years.
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Terrible villain ( a rip-off of Galactus' heralds?) but this issue did contain some interesting stuff. Yera a double agent? It's a stretch, but she's always been more interesting than her (ex)husband, so why not? And traitors are nothing new in the Legion, so I'll go with it.
And I've really grown to love Pete Woods' stuff. Yeah, this title is going to get cancelled, but at least we are getting somewhere.
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I love Pete Woods art too. I bet he'd make a great artist for the Legion main title if the spot would open up.
Also, I'm really starting to wonder if Levitz is working behing the scenes with DeFalco on some of these new plot threads, because if true, and if used, they would shake up the main Legion title a bit...secret Echo agents among the Legion, a possible traitor. Interesting plot elements indeed.
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I suppose the Comet Queen-as-traitor storyline in the main title may connect into this, but I don't see how.
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Heeeeey...when they cancel this series can we get The New Wanderers instead?!
*EYES SPARKLE*
Seriously, though. I'm not much for big "traitor" plots in the Legion. The Legion is best, to me, when they're at their cheesiest. Traitors in the midst just makes me want to go Julius Caesar.
Et tu, Brute?
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We haven't had a big "Long Live the Legion" moment in a while, and I do miss those moments.
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I liked it--honestly, I've been enjoying this book since it came out, almost a little more than the regular Legion book.
Echo's purpose and mission...it makes sense that the Science Police would want to have their hand in policing time travel (that kind of cross-agency thing happens with our government agencies all the time) and having someone in the Legion makes sense as well.
I also like that it answers some more of the mysteries that were developed like with Tyroc. I also can't help but wonder if there's something screwy going on with Adym and the Time Bubble, since they've said that time travel to this time is wonky due to the "Flashpoint barrier."
That said, I do feel like the "traitor in the Legion" thing is EXTREMELY old hat at this point, and this cosmic conqueror that Wildfire inadvertently lead to Earth is kinda bland (though the talking dragon does help).
Oh, and to Dan Hackett and some of the things he points to as flaws: Vera calls the guy out on not knowing Gim's name. "As if you forget anything."
And if by the Timber Wolf subplot, you mean him knowing the head of Echo that gets to their timeline--while it's still pretty recent, we did see him in the Timber Wolf origin that we got in LL #0.
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The so-called clues as to the deaths are beyond thin.
A cracked faceplate means that Wildfire dies in the 21st century? Does this Adym dude know that Wildfire has *already* lost one containment suit in this time period, hence his currently wearing a white one provided by Harvest?
And a tombstone means that Tyroc died? No. It just means that someone *thought* that he died, and made a tombstone for him. And the people who made the tombstone for him, choke, gasp, *never saw him again.* (Which is totally consistent with him going back to the future and never seeing these people in his ancient past again.)
So lame.
In the 70s, this reveal would have been on the cover, with Dreamy predicting that someone was going to die, and in the comic we discover that it just *looked* like they died (or a robot duplicate died, or an evil impersonator died, or it was a deliberate deception). Now, forty years later, this sort of attention-grabbing cover-gimmick is being played straight as an actual year long plotline by (IMO) lesser writers.
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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: We haven't had a big "Long Live the Legion" moment in a while, and I do miss those moments. Those are, without doubt, my favorite Legion moments. I just read Last Stand of New Krypton and when Brainy says it I just sort of squee happily.
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