Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Adventure Comics 4/507 Preview/Discussion (Spoilers)

Actually, the one with Polar Boy and Sun Boy was like that. But that's been the only really good one.

hmm. Maybe I'll have to check it out.

what? did you think it was literally the same legion that was in LSH *(baster) 17?

Actually I think a better description would be "The Legion had none of the revisions to the timeline occurred after the first Crisis".

Is this -*(baster)- a Freudian slip?
lol

And no, I didn't think that.
I was being a little silly/sarcastic at the whole DC continuity thing with the Legion.

Ooohhh he called Candle a "baster."


Didn't even know she could cook.

I thought he might have been refering the the *(baster[ard]) series.

I'm never quite in sinc, am I?

(And, yes, sinc is another word play. I've got to stop playing around. sigh People don't know if I'm confused or what! lol)

People,

Unless you're on the hotline to DC, you really shouldn't pass your interpretations off as fact. Paul Levitz has already stated that he's essentially picking up where he left off. This issue made a reference to the state of the Sorceror's World after "The Magic Wars." The only post-Crisis Legion story that they need to dance around is "The Death of Superboy," and that one story alone does not mean that everything that followed (or preceeded) it took place in an alternate continuity.

This is the same Legion that was published in the Baxter series. This is the same Blok that was going through adolescence and was therefore undergoing physical changes back then. When they get around to it, they'll either explain away the "Death of Superboy" storyline or ignore it entirely.

These are comic books. It's not that complicated. Everytime there's a continuity goof, it doesn't mean that there's an alternate universe. It means that these are products put out by multiple hands over a long period of time, and contradictions will occur. If they were all by the same person, it could be argued that it was all part of a master plan, but they're not, so they need to be judged for what they are, and not what they're not. All the comics that Paul Levitz wrote back in the '80s happened. This is the same Legion, only at a later point in time.

And Jim, the backup was 11 pages long, so it's worth buying!

Sure it does.

We're having fun here. We have a whole forum dedicated to continuity goofs/alternate stories/stories never published....

We're

having

fun.

Really, we are.

I think.

Wow. The Legion back up did not disappoint. Maybe my favorite Legion story since the Levitz days.

All the characters involved were favorites and I have to say it was written perfectly.

Clayton Henry was a fave artist from his Alpha Flight mini years ago. His first few issues of the Legion I didn't love but I felt he would find his groove soon and I was right. Beautiful.

Thanks, Glen. I did buy it today and I did count the pages. Was going to print a correction on the page count, but you beat me to it.

Thought it was odd that Mysa said she was the Black Witch now and forever 1 page before reverting back to White Witch albeit temporarily.

I didn't like the full blown formula love story resolution between Blok and Mysa. I liked them better as friends. Don't see why every male/female pairing in fiction has to go for the romantic angle. It just doesn't seem necessary to me.

Got it. Read it. Loved it. The best issue so far IMO.

I am NO fan of the Wildfire/Dawnstar melodrama and like Jim I also prefer Blok and White Witch as just friends - but damn it all if my heart wasn't skipping a beat for those poor, lonely kids and their doomed yearnings for love!

It was a very heartwarming moment seeing Blok and Mysa give it all up to be together at the end there, but I just hope they enjoy it while it lasts - because in comics that's not going to be for a very long time.

Finally, Clayton Henry's art was fantastic all the way through this story and it is now my fervent hope that he stays on board this book (in some capacity) once Levitz takes over. He is definitely the best artist I've seen draw this team (besides the great George Perez of course) since... Coipel? Yes, definitely Olivier Coipel.

IMO Clayton Henry blows all of the threeboot artists out of the water. I'm very surprised that he hasn't been getting the level of recognition or support from the fans that most of them did.

I don't know if the art had something to do with it, but what the heck happened with Blok? He's going through this big metamorphosis, and, at the end, nothing's changed, he's still a big rock guy? (At first I thought that maybe he had turned to metal or something, but it still looked like rock, just a little less 'falling off of him.') The talking going on made it sound like there was some sort of important transformation going on, and that 'now' they could be together (whereas, logically, that meant that before they couldn't be), so, I'm guessing, if there was a 'big change,' it happened in Blok's pants, where, thankfully, the artist did not go.

Otherwise, whole lotta nothin' going on, I guess.

Curious as to who the people on the wall are. Top right girl could be Raven. (Doesn't resemble her facially, but has the right cowl for the job.) Bottom right girl doesn't ring any bells. (Amethyst I heard as a theory, but had way longer hair, and usually some head-ornamentation / jewelry on. Seems unlikely that they'd go out of their way to draw her nothing like she typically looked.) Kid Devil and / or Blue Devil seemed obvious, but the other two dudes appear to be Alan Scott (from the enormous collar, but was there also a tie?), and yet another Green Lantern that *also* looks like kinda like Alan Scott...

Interesting that they've abandoned whatever Geoff Johns was going for with the Dawny/Drake relationship, since they are all hand-holding again. (In the Lightning Saga, she was downright cold to him, and pushing away his attempts to talk about how much he missed her, seeming more annoyed than happy to see him in return.)

Everything new is old again, which is probably for the best. I didn't care for Johns portrayal of Dawnstar as aloof and cold, or of Drake being some clingy guy who got dumped and continues trying to patch things up with the girl who ignores him and brushes him off. It didn't really make either of the characters look terribly sympathetic or attractive, and this portrayal, while quite different, does.

Loved Blok and Wildfire empathizing over Romeo & Juliet as Worst Story Ever, because, on the face level, it was a pretty cool bit of connection between the characters, and put their situations into perspective.

Given the constant fourth-wall breaking and fan-tweaking going on in the Prime story, it almost rang as a bit too clever, to come right out and state that the Blok/Mysa and Dawny/Drake story were the 'Worst Story Ever,' but I laughed anyway, so I'd be willing to give that one a pass, even if they were hanging a lampshade on it.


Oh yeah, some Prime story. Whatever. I recognize all of one of the people who showed up at the end (Bushido). Black Lantern costumes and zombie faces do nothing for my already limited ability to recognize these people!

Where's Pantha? And Wildebaby? And Risk's Severed Arm? (Hey, Risk is the original Arms Fall Off Boy!)

Oh that it was so straightforward Glen. The first complication is that this is still Johns' run and Johns stated that the split off point was the original Crisis and the post-Crisis events - pretty much - didn't happen. Up to now, Johns has been writing pretty much on that basis.

The current incarnation of the Legion came into being through the Infinitite Crisis so by definition it is a new universe (within a new multiverse).

The Superman of the Post Crisis universe had no knowledge of the Legion until the Pocket Universe arc. In the Currrent universe, Superman has known the Legion since they were kids. But that means that stories like the first Mordru and the Reflecto arc had to happen differently because they now don't feature the Pocket Universe Superboy but a young Clark Kent who's exploites were an urban myth not a fully acknowledged hero, there was no Insect Queen and so on.

Add to that the Johns changes (Star Boy's return to the Legion, Flight Rings before Superboy joined etc) and this Legion has a somewhat different past from the Levitz Baxter run.

Let's also not forget that during the Levitz Post Crisis run, he killed off the Emerald Empress and reverted Validus to his original form. But we have seen the Empress and Validus battling the Legion in L3W.

OK some may put all of what I've said down to continuity goofs but it is a fair number of goofs. I'm sure that the master of continuity fixes, Paul Levitz, will straighten things out but there are certainly curves to be straightened

and also Glen if this is the original legion (totally 100 percent)...where's Ms. Kara Zor-EL for mr. Brainiac 5 for him to feel..."star crossed" as well.

oh and i meant to say Baxter

The thing with Blok is that he no longer has a grey, rocky appearance like he always did. It's now more polished and darker, and I think there are more edges carved into him than there was.

In L.E.G.I.O.N., Strata went through almost the same thing and gained her crytalline appearance. This experience is also used to, I don't know, determine their genders. I have never read the story and I'm going by what I know.

And all I can say is, I'm glad the Dawny/Drake situation has come to this, rather than it ending the way it did and the two meeting in the FYL, with Dawny traumatized and wingless and Drake possessing Sun Boy's corpse. And the fact that Drake doesn't even have his energy body that Quislet gave him kind of gives the relationship the two have more meaning.

Blue Devil
Kid Devil
Spectre Hal Jordan (?)
Raven
Alan Scott Green Lantern (power ring)
Zatanna

At least I think

Torquemada

On another thread, which I can't seem to find at the moment, someone (Nightcrawler?) posted a way to get to a picture from another story besides Lo3Ws that showed the first 3 prisoners that Mordru robbed of their powers.
One was an older version of Alan Scott.
I forget who the other 2 were but one was the one that you think looked like Raven, but wasn't.

I think one of the faces we see this time is:
Glorith
and another's is Dragonmage,
both people that Mordru said he tortured and stole their powers from.

I wish I could find that first picture, again.

Raven and Torquemada, the magic Green Lantern. No idea if I spelled it right.

I loved the art on the Legion story. That full page of Mysa on her throne was stunning!!

Liked the Legion story. Interested to see where Levitz takes the Mysa/Blok story thread. Drake and Dawny was nice.

Superman Prime stuff cracks me up for some reason. I'll probably stick with this through the transition.

Eh, I walked away from it this issue. I flipped through the Prime stuff, and I liked seeing the threeboot Legion again just because I think wherever that is going can be interesting, and there was one or two panels that piqued my interest, but the main story didn't have enough to grab me and I'm not paying $3.99 for an 8 page (or was it 11, someone counted) Legion story. I might come back for the Conner story (hey, it was my fave for a long time) but I doubt it.

When Levitz comes on full time I'll probably check the Legion out again, but right now I just don't think it's worth it, especially with knowing there is a transition coming up. Kinda how I feel about Teen Titans, might check in once Conner and Bart return but until then there is no point.

So GIVE ME SPOILERS! As I won't be reading the book itself and I hope you all enjoy it!

Long Live the Legion.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Prime is addressing the reader, bemoaning how we think of him as a joke and wishing they'd left him out of Blackest Night. He flips to the end of the story and is horrified by what he sees.

On New Earth, a black ring downloads Alex Luthor Jr.'s memories and revives him in the Hall of Justice. Luthor stays behind from the rest of the Lanterns, suddenly disappearing with a bunch of black rings in his hand.

In the 31st Century, the 3B Brainiac 5 is annoyed that the UP won't let him excavate old San Francisco, or San Diego I can't remember, in order to find the comics that document New Earth, as he believes they could've used them to prevent their Dirk and Jan dying. Light Lass alerts the Legionnaires that a time anomaly has occurred, Prime has just walked out of his house.

Prime demands that his parents drive him to a nearby comic book store. During the drive he seems lost in thought while staring at a picture of himself and Laurie. His father, Jerri, asks that Prime please not hurt him and his mother, but Prime is offended by that question. He did what he did to Laurie because she stopped liking him, but he knows his parents love him. When his mother, Naomi, honestly admits she's deathly afraid of her own son. Jerri worriedly tries to apologize for his wife, to which Prime tells him to shut up. They finally get to the store, and as Prime leaves the car, Naomi tells Jerri to drive off. He responds that Prime would just find them anyway.

In the store, Prime angrily demands for an issue of Adventure Comics #5 to know what happens to himself. The clerk tells him he can ask online for spoilers even though the book hasn't come out. As Prime types away, Alex pops into the story and incinerates a customer who compliments his "Black Lantern costume". Alex comments to Prime about how the computer, and the internet itself, serves as an excellent conduit for the rage of us readers who hate Prime so goddamn much. Prime shoves his head into the screen, but that doesn't hinder Alex. Using his abilities he amps Prime back into Superman-Prime, complete with the armor, and continues to egg him on about how we see him as a one-dimensional joke with no heart. Prime insists that his parents love him, to which Alex tells him not to confuse love with obligation. Alex's whole plan is to get Prime as angry as he usually was, when Prime gets hit with kryptonite and red flames. He looks up, and more Black Lanterns are on the scene. The Blood Pack, Baron Blitzkrieg, Major Disaster, Bushido, Charaxes, and Sun Boy and Element Lad. Alex gives the "spoiler alert" that Superboy-Prime dies next issue. Prime, horrified, demands to know what happens next-</span></span>