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http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/

oooohhh. You know I was one of the many who sat there mortified when tehy announced Bret Ratner as the director of X3, but...

Hot damn, if this trailer is anything to go by it looks pretty darn good. Angel and Beast both look fantastic. Jean looks great. Storm has a third attempt at good hair and fails miserably again (OK, so some things never change). Ian McKellen looks even more brilliant. Looks like it's action packed but with a good story too. Like I say, if this is a good indication of what we can expect i think we're actually in for a treat and a film that will round out the trilogy very, very well.

Oh, and Angel is *hot*.

[edit note: hijacking Bevis' thread to make it the official one for the movie and spoilers]

But what the hell did they do to Mystique? Unfortunately this trailer did nothing to ease my fears of a flop waiting to happen. And why, why!, out of all the stories they could tell, including the Dark Phoenix which they alluded to, do we have to get the clap trap of a mutant cure?

I'll hold on to my cash and use it to see Superman instead. I'll catch Raturd's X-Men for free at Brewvies.

Scott, I'll send you the ten bucks. It'll be good, trust me.

it does look good very action packed.

more storm makes me happy for one. and kitty pryde!!!

lotsa villains in this one i wonder if the bad guy is dark phoenix or if she just goes evil this film.

ooo ooo ooo i havent seen this trailer yet, i was talking about the old action packed one! but this one rocks more!


i like the mutant cure story line though. does seem like double booking with dark phoenix and the mutant cure. but buffy did the whole dark phoenix thing with willow. so the x-movies have to add a little spice.

mystique looks a little funny. is that rebecca romain?

I'm really excited too! This looks like it'll be great!

I was also afraid of Brett Ratner, but it looks like he'll pull it off. Ian McKellan and the rest have said its the best script they've read so far for the X-Men, so I'm interested. There's some very human elements to the mutant cure storyline, and I want to see the actors really do something with that.

Plus: Angel! Beast! Kitty (my fave)! Colossus (my other fave)! Juggernaut! Madrox! Calisto! Everyone returning, including vastly underated characters like Pyro from X2 who really threw me for a loop with his great performance!

And most importantly, Ian McKellan as Magneto, who I could basically watch on screen all day.

Okay, now I'M excited.

And what in the bloody bue blazes happened to Ben Foster??????????????
He's NOT the nerdy, scrawny kid I remember from The Disney Channel!!

I SAW IT! The movie I mean, not the trailer. It was actually pretty cool! Deviates from the comics a bit there are some priceless moments and cool bits for comic fans and I feel like they really got the sassiness of Kitty dead on. Oh and Juggernaut vs. Kitty? Awesomeness, especially if <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">you've seen that You Tube 'I'm the Juggernaut' remix of the 90s X-Men cartoon</span></span>

But does it live up to the standards set by Singer or is it more like Batman & Robin compared to Batman or Batman Returns? I still doubt I'll pay to see this one, especially on opening weekend like we've done with the last two.

The review I read somewhere (Newsarama, I think) said that this is the best of the three movies. However, a review I heard on TV or the radio said it was all action, no substance.

I'll see it fairly quickly, but probably not opening week. I hate crowds

Saw the movie last night at the midnight showing and i must say IMHO it was the best outta the 3, wonderful action scenes, pretty good dialog and there were a few scenes where i was sitting there with my jaw wide open. Kelsey Grammer was great as Beast. and as you know there's a nice little shocker at the end of the credits. but go see it for yourself, if not at night go to the earily matinee, but you should see it.
if i were Brett Ratner i'd be feeling pretty good right now.

As a fan of the X-Men comics for the past 30 years (give or take), I was felt it was lacking. The first two were far better, IMHO. But, I'm among those who feel they should be bringing the characters and stories to life and not re-writing them. So, maybe that was my problem.

Kabir (my BF) loved it and thought it was a fantastic movie and wants to see it again.

I was disappointed. Althought the action/SFX were great (IMO more impressive than in the X-men 1 and 2), this movie failed to hook me on an emotional level : some moments could have been truly touching- <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Bobby gift to Kitty; Rogue's decision; the death of the Professor; the funerals; etc...</span></span>- but they all fell flat, too rushed, and sometimes too corny because of the dialogues.

Here what I liked the most :
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- the two intros (Jean then Warren)were really great;
- the SF bridge's scene was stunning;
- Kitty had a really cool action scene (the actress was perfect);
- Angel's wings were beatifully rendered, as was the "Dark Phoenix effect" (scary but alas, no fire bird );
- Bobby/Pyro's fight;
- and finally when I saw Storm's hair, I didn't thought "Wig" - and she even has cool action scenes.</span></span>

Here what I disliked :
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- Colossus had - what? - 2 lines in the whole movie;
- if Phoenix is supposed to be a repressed personnality made of rage, love, etc... as the Professor explained, we didn't see it a lot (except for the scene in the lab with Wolvie) - I know that the actress said in an interview that she was mostly quiet during the movie to reflect an internal struggle, but I expected her taking pleasure in using her power and hurting the others. But noooooooooo, she looks like she took too much Xanax during the whole movie!
- Rogue : what have they done with her? she was such a great developped character in the first two movies, and here she have 3 scenes that bored me...
- Cyclops : uh? was he dusted? did Jean stole his life force? what? it felt they cut the scene too early.
- Angel, Madrox : wasted potentials;
- Did I say I felt the dialogue were terrible?
- No mention of Nightcrawler?
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I thought the movie was awesome! I'm not as invested in the characters as many others are, but I really enjoyed the movie. This director really has an eye for how to present the visuals.

Well, I tried posting this yesterday and we had a power outage that fried my harddrive beyond recovery. Like Storm was slapping me for saying bad things about the movie.

The movie took in over $44.5 million on Friday, the second biggest opening ever and the biggest ever Friday. It exceeded all expectations and now Fox (and I would assume Marvel) have to make a decision since they all but officially announced this as the final movie.

They are expecting the weekend take to exceed $125 million, making it the biggest ever 3 day opening and biggest Memorial Weekend opening. But I'll still wait and see it for free at Brewvies.

We just got back from seeing it. Really liked it (Chris loved it). I kind of preffered X2 for some reason, but it's a close ru thing. Most of the poeple that haven't liked it seem to be the hardcore X-fans who wanted to see a literal translation of the comics to the screen, which isn't what you get. It has got some inconsistencies and some of the characters are a bit wasted (Angel most notably) but it's a good fun action movie with some great effects and a nice simple story.

One thing though, isn't it lucky that Wolverine's trousers are much more resilient than any other part of him in the final stand-off? Heh heh. Oh, and the guy that played Madrox was hot.

loved it my favorite one yet!!!

i'll admit it seemed rushed, and some scenes needed another take or to be edited.

no firebird, i forgot about that, actually i liked the whole split personality thing, just cuts to the chase. loved seeing kitty in action.

can't believe: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> rogue took the cure! prof. x dead? and they killed people left and right. </span></span>

what happened at the end of the credits??? i missed it.

DB, I just edited in a spoiler. Hope that's OK.

This was the weakest of the three movies. I guess it was OK, but certainly not great. The action was good, and I liked seeing a bit more of Storm. There was also a great fight between Iceman and Pyro. But the writing was awful.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Kitty wishing for snow when talking to Iceman? Please! Could anyone possibly NOT see what this would lead to?!? This scene really made me groan.</span></span>

I also don't like coincidences, to me they are a sign of bad writing.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">How come Angel was hovering about at exactly the moment when his father was about to be thrown out the window?</span></span>

The Jean Grey/Phoenix saga is really one of my favorite stories, but not because of its cosmic scale, but because of the choices both her and Cyclops had to make. I didn't mind the fact that in the movie they took away the cosmic aspect of this (in fact I think I would have been very annoyed if they had left it in. But to <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">get rid of Cyclops in the first 15 minutes of the movie?</span></span> What purpose did this serve? Consider how much stronger the movie would have been if <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Wolverine had tried to kill Jean Grey, but couldn't bring himself to do it, and it had been Cyclops who finally did it</span></span> I hated the way they showed the Phoenix effect, Jean looked like a living-dead, not like a goddess. I really wish we had seen the flaming bird, if only because we saw a hint of it at the end of the second movie. I also hated the fact that Jean spent most of the movie staring blankly in front of her. I'll put it politely: there are much, much better ways to exteriorize inner conflict. Yuck!

Regarding the final fight, aren't there more effective ways for Magneto to attack people than throwing flaming cars at them? (and by the way, I thought magnets didn't work on hot metals). One of my favorite scenes in the first movie was Magneto taking control of the guns and the bullets of those policemen, here the whole fight was just silly.

Wolverine was good. So were Storm, Kitty and Iceman. I wish I had seen more of Rogue and Mystique, don't object to Rogue's decision. I didn't like the actor they chose for Angel, he looked... short. And had next-to-nothing to do. Where was Nightcrawler? Beast was great. And regarding the Brotherhood, well, there were just too many of them, being a mutant stops being special if every second person you meet turns out to be one.

Regarding the scene from after the credits, <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Professor X has taken residence in the mind of that brain-dead patient of Moira McTaggert's</span></span>. A good thing, since it leaves the door open for further appearances. I don't believe that <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Scott is dead, either, his body was not shown. </span></span> But they missed a great opportunity to use him in this movie, that's for sure. As for the mutants that have lost their powers, well, if Magneto's powers are returning, why wouldn't they return in the others?

This movie could have been the best of the trilogy. Too bad it wasn't.

Juan

The main reason Marsden's Cyclops wasn't used a whole lot was because he was busy working with his old pal Brian Singer on Superman Returns. At one point the rumors said that he was told, by Fox, that he had to pick one or the other. He decided to do Superman instead. I'm sure, had he chosen the other way around, Scott would have had a much bigger role to play in X3.

Doc One, considering Jean's perfered methods, the whole Scott thing can be explained away easily.

It would make perfect sense for the cure to be temporary given its source: Leech's powers were area, and temporary (at least in the comic. The power went away immediatly and, if you were too near him for too long, it would gradually fade back in)

*sigh* I loved Grammar as Beast. It fit perfectly, plus I liked his pragmatism with a dash of self-loathing. The Vinnie Juggernaut was nice, if only for it's difference. And I liked Madrox, for all of his nine seconds.

I hated only seeing a little of Toad. And then no Blob, no Avalanche, no Destiny, no Unus, no Mimic...what kind of backwards Brotherhood was this? Honestly, it seemed to merge the Morlocks and the Marauders, and that makes sense given the state of mutants in the movieverse; still it would've been nice to seem some of the classics in there.

One criticsm (or well, not really a criticism) was the scene with Scott and Jean when she first came back. Others have mentioned it elsewhere and it's the first thing Chris mentioned when we came out, but did it feel like they'd cut part of a scene there? It didn't seem to flow at all and it struck me as if they'd cut a couple of minutes to get a lower rating. It just seemed a bit odd.

Haven't seen it yet, but fact is, Cyke has been a footnote in all 3 movies. They sidelined him for most of #2. In the first, he was pretty much boiler-plate. These have always been Wolverine's movies. For those of us old enough (or rich enough) to have read the X-Men before Wolverine's ascendancy to most popular thing in the universe, it is an occasion for sadness. I say that as someone who loves Jackman's portrayal of Logan (in the first two, at least). To really portray Cyclops effectively, you would have to spend time delving into how isolated his powers make him feel. His sense of abandonment (was it because of his eyes?). You could make this a decent part of a good movie, but the filmakers have chosen other priorities. Artistic license. Still, to reduce the Scott/Jean/Phoenix drama to one kiss and a disintegration? Too bad.

It is a shame Scott didn't get more to do. He was completely shafted as a character in X2 (and to a slightly lesser degree in X-Men since he did actually do *something* there) and filming commitments caused problems with X3 (Superman with Bryan Singer ironically enough) which meant that he was little more than a footnote again but unfortunately with the way they've done the films, introducing new characters each time, when it comes down to it there are always some characters who are going to be screwed. Wolverine gets a big role because he's the character that almost everyone recognises. Storm is recognisable as a character but is also the 'name' actress so gets a key role (in X3 at least). Magneto, Mystique and Jean Grey all proved very popular from the first two films so got bigger (or more important) roles again. Cyclops, unfortuantely, just falls into the category of 'not a big name actor, not a hugely popular character, actor who isn't available the whole shoot' and as such has virtually nothing to do. It's a shame but he's not the only character to suffer in that way. It's probably just that in terms of the history of the X-Men he's the most important character in the comics to not get a good showing in any of the films really.

Frankly, if this was the case I think I would have preferred for Marsden to be replaced alltogether. The movie suffered a lot with Cyclops' absence.

i don't like cyclops personally, never really have, so his absence wasn't a big deal to me.

maybe they just never showed what happened to him so he can come back someday.