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Especially if you are, as I am, reading Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker, and are being educated in how small and simple changes to cultural and social norms over the past couple of centuries have relieved billions of suffering, and improved the quality of life.

And by ‘small and simple changes’, I mean such minor things as hand-washing, crop rotation, the dawning realization that woman are human beings, 'trade pacts' rather than 'peace treaties' and the occasional overthrow, exile, or death of “swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictators with delusions of godhood”.

“Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.”
- Sam Rayburn

“As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy than to create.”
- Mr. Spock, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan

Probably not a huge shock, but I didn't like it. I found it poorly paced and extremely repetitive. It seemed like every second scene was a play on "would you sacrifice an individual you cared about for the greater good?". It felt forced the first time and then they hit us with it at least three more times. Obviously the ending is reversable, Marvel's not going to flush away several cash cows though it was somewhat interesting that



I wonder if they address any of this in Ant-man?

From the tone of the new Ant-Man trailer, this movie seems to be set before the events of Infinity War, because it seems really unlikely that the ending of Infinity War won't have been a big deal in the Ant-Man sequel, otherwise.

In fact,

The movie was super busy, with perhaps more moving parts than it needed. I'm tempted to go watch it again, just to see if it makes a little more coherent sense. I'm reminded of Age of Ultron, which was also 'too much' for me (although I liked it a lot more than Age of Ultron).

Not surprised. At all. Not even in the slightest.

I thought it was great! Not in my top 20 greatest movies or anything but I'm totally satisfied.

I saw this and haven't even watched Dr Strange, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Justice League or Black Panther yet. I'm glad I picked this one.

I have not seen Spiderman

I finally saw it - I loved it from beginning to end. Some thoughts - WARNING - SPOLERS NOT SPOILER-BOXED -

While I never liked Thanos as a villain in the comics, and I think of his motivations for mass-murder to be extremely contrived by the writers, I think the CGI team did nothing short of a spectacular job rendering his facial expressions with what I thought looked like genuine emotion. He looked sad, he looked regretful, he looked world-weary, he looked satisfied. His thought processes are extremely twisted and evil, but you get the sense that he genuinely feels.

I like that there wasn't some big reconciliation/apology moment between Tony and Steve. Sure, heroes put aside their feelings for the sake of the universe, but PEOPLE find it very hard to put aside their shame and embarrassment.

I did not like that Gamora's declaration of love for, and first kiss with Quill, happened in this movie rather than in a Guardians movie. I guess the writers (maybe with James Gunn's input?) felt a need to make that happen before Gamora was taken by Thanos, but characters with their own movie series should have their big character moments happen in their own movie series.

Missed opportunity: Rhodes shoos away General Ross before Banner enters the room. It would have been nice to see what would have happened if Ross had actually encountered him. (Although, realistically, Ross wasn't unaware that Banner was an Avenger in the first two movies, he just wasn't on screen. So maybe nothing.)

Spider-Man's death scene was heartbreaking, a real teenage-feeling moment. But on the other hand, having him among the dying when we know he has a sequel coming up (unless, I suppose, Avengers 4 introduces Miles Morales and the Spider-Man sequel featured him rather than Peter?) lessens the impact of all of the deaths.

Avengers: Endgame is coming!

Run, run, run for your lives!

No, no, don't run *to the movie plex*, run *away from it*!

Just kidding. Kinda sorta.

I'm not gonna watch it, though. At least not until it's available for home viewing.

Call me bitter if you will, just don't call me 20 dollars poorer.

Just saw Endgame

A LOT of threads and characters to juggle.

That is all.

I just realized that Captain Marvel marked the point I had seen less than half of the MCU. So the chances of me coming back for Endgame are... not good.