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To me, it seems that the writers and creators are just firing on all cylinders now. They have a endpoint and they know what they have to accomplish.

These first couple of shows have been great! Each one answering some stuff but opening up questions that will lead to answering other things.

Faraday and the others have been intro beautifully and in Faraday's case, been added seamlessly into the mythos of the show.

I am so loving this season!

Hello, it's been awhile. I'm still having a hell of a time getting anywhere on this site.

Back to last week's ep. I'm pretty sure that Damon and Carlton confirmed that Aaron is not one of the Oceanic 6.

I don't think Claire's going to die anytime soon. That might end up being more tragic than if she did. Kate's the only mother Aaron knows (unless he's got some psychic stuff going on), so it's going to be heart wrenching if the three meet up again. Also, I think Kate was lying about knowing she's not pregnant. All her actions make more sense if she thinks she's pregnant. Especially if she understands that pregnant women die on the island.

The Constant blew all my time related theory's out of the water last night. I'm still readjusting. Amazing ep, though. I was so afraid they were going to kill Des. The ep could have been incredibly confusing, but they managed to pull it off. I love the Black Rock reference. I'm trying to remember which book I read that talked about the real Black Rock so I can compare the stories.

I'm wondering if the reason the O6 got off the island is because they're immune to the side effects for some reason. We know Sayid, at least, got through just fine.

It's interesting that they confirmed that it's Dec. 24, 2004. Two days before the Boxing Day tsunami hit. I wonder if it'll have any effect on the show.

Oh, and add me to the Faraday fan club.

As a failed scientist, I think the bit about radiation unsticking people's consciousness in time is too bollocks even for Lost. I mean, even if it's some magic frequency (obviously connected to the Numbers), why that particular flavor of EM? Unless, it's like the frequency of the human soul? Whoahh...

Liked the fact that the light shined on Eloise was the same color as the sky when Des detonated the Hatch. And the bit about Eloise and the maze? One of the more brilliant twists on time travel.

I am still in shock that Des and Penny actually spoke, after all this time. Did the original Penelope have any communication that Odysseus was still alive, or did she just have to keep the faith?

Despite all the time jumping and stuff, Desmond's story somehow makes more sense than anyone else's at this point. Maybe because he has finally told Penny that he loves her, and she told him that she loves him.

There's actually a bunch of goofy "Quantum Mind" theories out there that suggest that consciousness is some kind of electromagnetic phenomena, so it's being affected by electromagnetism isn't that far fetch from a highly speculative scientific viewpoint.

As to why it would "unstick" consciousness in time, or whether any of the time travel stuff is actually coherent, I'm not sure.

There's also the viewpoint that time actually doesn't exist, since the perception of "past" and "present" is really mediated by how long it takes information to travel at light speed fromt the event to the observer. It's not metaphysics but relativistic physics to say that the universe, all coordinates of space/time, exists always and forever, but we observe it in a sequential cause/effect way. Were FTL travel possible, you could then view what you consider the past and the future. I don't even mind the quasi-metaphysical notion that consciousness (whatever it is) can somehow (quantum mechanically?) short-circuit the lightspeed limit and access the "past" and the "future." What DOES annoy me (and I'm not sure why) is the idea that there is some SPECIFIC EM frequency that triggers the jump. It just seems so arbitrary. Stand too close to the X-ray machine or sunbathe too long, and all of a sudden you're Scott Bakula quantum leaping. My god, so THAT'S what happens to people who go to tanning salons!!!!

Just had to keep the faith, even when numerous suitors had begun to overtake her home...

Odysseus, unlike Desmond, spent most of his time away sleeping around with hot chicks on islands!

Well, there's still plenty of time for Des to do that if he WANTS to, although last season wiped out many of the hot chicks!

Actually, I can't think of a better contrast between men of antiquity and men of today:

Odysseus: 7 years shacking up with hot chick Calypso on beautiful Mediterranean island

Desmond: 3 years on beautiful but deadly island in underground dome pushing buttons on computer with Kelvin

this season of 'LOST' is so great !! and tonight's episode was truly AMAZING !!!

the scenes in the classroom and the blackboard reminded me of RIP HUNTER's lab in '52' and 'BOOSTER GOLD' and i loved the jumps backward and forward through time !!

one thing that confused me a little is the TIMELINE that has now been set up from this episode !!

if i understood it correctly, the last time DESMOND saw Penny was 8 years ago, where he tells her he will call her in 8 YEARS !! which he then does at the end of the episode !!

but in the finale episode of season 2, where we find out that DESMOND has entered the boat race, we see him about to go running, when Penny arrives by car !!

from this episode it is revealed that DESMOND then enters the race, but is lost at SEA, before arriving on the island, and is then taken to the HATCH where he proceeds to remain in the HATCH for a further 3 YEARS 'pushing the button' !!!

so you could say that DESMOND'S last meeting with PENNY was up to 4 YEARS ago !!??

HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE 8 YEAR GAP ???? or did i miss something ???

Matthew.

While it's eight years between the two sets of events in the latest episode, it hasn't been eight years since they've seen each other. They saw each other in the stadium, and probably sometime before that, since I'm guessing Penny put the letter in Our Mutual Friend about the time Des went to prison (which is a story we still need to see).

that's how i see DESMOND's and PENNY's meetings !!

but the fact that DESMOND asking for Penny's number, and then telling her he'd call her in 8 years time, and then PENNY's reaction we she get's his call on Christmas Eve [ 8 years later ] just made me feel like they'd forgotten that these previous events had happened !!??

or PENNY's reaction was due to the fact that they had been in contact during the 8 year gap, and that DESMOND had been missing for the last 3-4 years or so, and that PAENNY had been looking for him during this time, and was SO happy to be speaking with him again !!

Matthew.

Yeah, I think it probably was "I've been looking for you for three years!" rather than "You really did call me after not speaking for 8 years!" that caused the reaction, though it was kind of confusing in the context of this episode alone. I bet it'll be clarified in future episodes.

Another amazing ep! This might be the best season of them all so far!

Lots of information and letting us know we were right about various theories. Great focus on Juliet to remind us she's still really important, with cool flashback insight to that whole Goodwin romance. Juliet really is a kick-ass character. I personally like her romance with Jack (my g/f HATES it).

Man, I can't wait til I can rewatch this whole season at once! And we're not even halfway there yet!

Definitely another solid episode! It was one of those where the flashbacks were actually a lot more fascinating than the "present" storyline.

Lots of answers, too!

Did I miss something? Didn't Juliet refer to Ben as her ex-husband in her first episode?

I do like the back and forth with Ben. He can be a real $#@$ but he is doing it to protect his home and family.

No. She does have an ex-husband whom she has a weird relationship with in her first episode, but he's hit by a bus (thus freeing her up to come to the island).

Ooh... crazy theory:

Ben is supposed to have a crush on Juliet because she looks like someone else. Ben earlier commented on the resemblance between Juliet and Jack's ex-wife. Could Ben be the man that Jack's ex-wife left him for? And... even scarier... is she pregnant with Ben's child in the future?

That *is* a crazy theory!

Personally, I took it to mean 'Juliet looks just like Ben's mother'. Mainly because Ben's relationship with is mother and the lack of her in Ben's life have obviously left a huge scar in Ben that has led him to this path and also because it came from a psychiatrist, and LOST usually plays on classic themes of various things (so for psychology, they'd go with Fruedian themes).

But now I like your theory better Eryk

Plus if they mean Ben's mother, it further highlights the whole 'parents/family' theme of every single member of the LOST cast, which in a way connects to Jack's struggle to lead the Lost crew (essentially's its father), Locke's similar struggle as well as Ben's (and Ben's 'failure' to do so).

couldnt it be the girl that was shwon with ben as a young boy on the island. I forget what her name was.
Have 5 of the oceanic 6 members been identified? because in the preview for next week it said that the final memeber would be revealed.

I'd SPOIL this if others hadn't already suggested it before..

Since Ben told Locke, "You'd better sit down" so he could tell who the inside man on the freighter is, coupled with the teaser for next week mentioning the surprising return of a character, I'm convinced it is Michael (This theory is helped by the fact that the actor's name has been in the credits for most of the season, yet he hasn't really had any screentime yet). Who else would Sayid be surprised to see face to face again??? At first I thought George (Fisher Stephens) was going to be the inside man, till they revealed he was time-skipping like Desmond (up until he went and died...and someone else unlocked the sick bay from the outside).

I guess I'll have to file this under "Duh". I figured Michael was too obvious to begin with so I went off on a different theory before. I've officially changed my mind.

My wife won't watch the show anymore. She says they take too long to reveal things, and each answer brings 10 more questions. She's working so much (and getting her Masters at the same time) so she doesn't want to have to invest a lot of time figuring everything out (she's normally very adept at plotlines and stuff). She says watching the show is just too draining. We'll probably buy the DVDs so the payoffs come more quickly and we can see the "behind the scenes" kind of stuff. That's always cool!

I think its definitely Michael we'll see next week, and I bet they won't really make it too much of a surprise because we all know its coming. Probably early in the episode. A real surprise will be if Ben's man on the boat turns out not to be Michael since we all expect it.

If Aaron doesn't count as one of the Oceanic 6, I think we might expect Jin and Sun as the other two, so when we re-see Jin he'll be able to speak perfect English (that might be the next episodes big 'wow!' moment) and Sun can have her baby.

I find Juliet to be a heart-breaking character -- she's almost too maudlin for Lost. Every episode that focuses on her leaves me sad and depressed. This one was no exception. Not that it wasn't good, mind you.

I've been thinking about Ben/Harper. Does Ben still have a considerable connection to the Island's power? Or, is the Island itself acting (using Ben's name) to get Juliet to stop Charlotte and Daniel?

It is also cool to see that the creative team cycles back to a small mystery -- how did Ben and the others create the gas they used to exterminate the Dharma folks -- and make it part of an even larger mystery.

What id Michael is not Ben's man on the boat - but Walt is?

Oh Lost, you emotion manipulator. I don't think he's actually going to die. I think he'll still end up being on the island, and *that* scene, when she sees him again, will probably make me cry.

Then again, I thought they were throwing me off with Charlie too. But maybe because they didn't with Charlie, they will this time.

Another great episode. Not as interesting and pulse-pounding as the previous bunch, but a welcome 'slow-down' episode that really gave us some heart and soul, and some great character scenes with Jin and Sun. And it moved their saga ever forward, moreso than perhaps any single episode so far when it comes to moving along two people character-wise and relationship wise.

Once again we see that when she feels cornered or beat, Juliet can unleash devastating blows. Maybe the actor who plays Ben is right: Juliet is perhaps the most dangerous and scary person on the island. I can see why people hate her (my g/f is one).

Well, we obviously knew it'd be Michael, and I'm looking forward to next ep where they all react to it (the promotion with Sayid grabbing him and Sawyer talking about him was great).

"Someone will die?" I'm both excited and scared--I'm not ready for someone to die again! But I wonder if it'll be Michael so soon after he returns. Or will it be one of the four new characters?

Very pleased Jin is learning English. Having just watched the previous three seasons about two weeks ago, I notice just how far Jin has come along since the first time we've seen him (and Sun too). The actor really does so much with facial expressions, and now that he can speak Enlighs (albeit not well yet), I'm looking forward to more of his acting chops.

BTW, I think I said this before, but the actress playing Regina (woman who jumped off the boat) is a GREAT actress. Well, maybe not great actress per se, but a cool one. She was Uma Thurman's body double in Kill Bill and the star of Quentin Tarrantino's half of Grindhouse (which was really a love letter to her). So expect her to be leaping out of explosions, hanging onto helicopters, fighting sharks and swiming in volcanos soon.