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GASP!! I'm starting to feel bad that I was so honest, but guys, it just really sucked!!

GASP!!! I thought it was just okay (it was in my 'NOT BUYING # 2' stack)... until the end, which caught me!

Rhino, surely you liked the all-new all-now all-young Oliver?

GASP!!! Plus the writer looks like THIS:

That doesn't work on me.

GASP!!! Pull no punches reviews space-rawk!

Sure he was cute, but his dialogue with the CEO of his company has been done a gazillion times before in Batman, the hot, yet brainy computer chick is a total Oracle/Aleph(Global Frequency) rip-off, Krul's attempt at "hip-young" slang was laughable and the trio of edgy, media fueled villians were uninteresting.(when I saw one had electrical powers, I was hoping they would turn out to be a Legion founders homage-but no)
I'd say my biggest problem was with Krul's dialogue-so stiff & cliche!!

Hmmm. You have swayed me!

GREEN ARROW goes in the NO # 2 pile!!

TAKE *THAT*, JT Krul and your adorablesauce face!!!!

Worst line:
Green Arrow-"You're right. I have a lot of toys...but I don't play games!"

TASTE THAT CHEESE, JT Krul!!!!

I'd still do him. I bet he's a power bottom!

I hope so!!!! TAKE THAT CHEESE, JT KRUL!!!

*cackles nefariously*

My thoughts exactly... worst of the bunch so far...

Fresh off the pull no punches review by Rhino last night, I read Green Arrow with a keen eye! What I saw in my own opinion was a series that is at conflict within itself: a fantastic artist in Dan Jurgens trying to create a fresh, dynamic take on Green Arrow, with a writer in J.T. Krul who just can’t seem to find his voice.

First off, I really like the fact that with Green Arrow they got rid of his signature goatee, hood / hat and some other aspects. In 1970 or so they made a major change to his look and it was long overdue again. If they’re going to update Green Arrow, half-measures won’t work; its time to go for it.

With that in mind, I was even more thrilled by Dan Jurgen’s artwork, which I felt really was terrific all issue! Some great spy-action type moments in Paris, with a dynamic Green Arrow battling some weird super-villains. The composition was a balance between big superhero poses with tight multi-grid panels on some pages. I’ve always been a fan of Jurgen’s artwork so I enjoyed this. I’m not sure what Perez’s inks add to the pencils other than the expectation of a top-notch job (the guy’s a legend, no bones about it); however, I’ve always thought Jurgen’s very best inker was Brett Breeding. I’d love to see them work together again.

Meanwhile while a word balloon-less issue would have probably read great, the dialogue felt all wrong all issue here. It was disjointed, erratic and full of clichés. Compounded on that, Rhino revealed several big flaws such as the stereotypical CEO who argues with the company owner (Tony Stark has one of these every five years) and the mysterious woman who is an obvious Oracle analogue. Maybe these characters will grow interesting as time goes on; maybe not.

The brash opinionated pontiff is a role that has become part of the heart and soul of Green Arrow so I can’t fault Krul for playing that up. But it should be scaled back with a hint of subtly. That is, of course, unless Krul & Jurgens are purposely trying to show that this younger Green Arrow is still a bit too naïve and unrefined in his political and social opinions, but its too hard to figure out what the writers intentions may be.

The ending had Jurgen’s interesting a new slew of villains as he is apt to do (he’s definitely one of those artists that loves creating new designs for bad guys). Am I really curious to keep going. Well…eh. Enough to buy a few more issues, definitely.

Cobie Comparison: Did I enjoy it more than Justice League #1? No, I thought it missed the mark in two many places from a writing standpoint, so it was not more enjoyable than Justice League. I think between Rhino & Lash’s posts, I fall somewhere in the middle.

Now I never said I loved it or anything... It was on my 'NO for # 2' list until the last page got me curious about the slew of new villains.

But I def liked it better than LULZrhino.

I'm torn on # 2. I'll see how my funds go next month.

I must be the only person in the world who liked Green Arrow, except maybe J.T. Krul's mom. This despite the flaws which other people have pointed out - the dialogue, the trying so hard to be trendy and techy (and it took forever for Supercharge to charge up). Sure it's totally unrealistic, the superstar industrialist, rich, young and handsome, too with an array of unbelievable tools; maybe it reminds me of the 1960s and I'm 10 years old again. Don't look too closely, because the Q-Pad is probably manufactured by slave labour.

The thing is, I've always really really wanted to like Green Arrow but haven't much liked the book in recent years. I like the concept, how he's essentially Batman without the angsty past and anger. Ollie seems to be having more fun with playing superhero. You can see his downfall coming, he's going to get turfed out or ruined by Emerson, then he'll be poor fighting for the poor. Maybe.

Anyways, I think I'll keep it for a while and I hope Rhino will still love me, regardless of my taste in comics.

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!!!

Looks like GREEN ARROW will be co-written by KEITH GIFFEN and DAN JURGENS as of # 4.

Looks like I'm sticking around for it.

And JT himself just confirmed his exit from GA over on his Facebook page! Rejoice, Rhino!!

Did he provide a reason?

Apparently, "an opportunity came up that [he] really wanted to tackle" and he needed to drop GA to make time for it.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/19/jt-krul-leaves-green-arrow-stays-on-captain-atom/

...he's off GA after four issues, three of which haven't come out, but I had to suffer a year through Eric Wallace on Titans?

...the first step towards to acceptance is admitting your bitterness. The next step, road rage.

How interesting that this alleged opportunity comes along right after a legion of lukewarn GREEN ARROW # 1 reviews have been put on the internet...

i'm pretty willing to bet that the DC higher-uppities are paying a LOT of ettention to any and all reviews.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/19/the-dc-comics-white-board-of-doom/

Just so they know, this freelancer is well-prepared to co-pitch a MATTER-EATER LAD: THE SERIES comic, a MLL'Ester joint!

Giff and Jurgens? That's good enough news.

Sign me up for MEL: THE SERIES too.

I read #1 last night expecting not to like it based on the negative buzz, but I found that while it had its flaws, I overall enjoyed it. Maybe part of this was that I like Dan Jurgens' art--that never hurts.

I think it was that I enjoyed reading a version of Ollie that didn't have all that character's baggage and, well, who was younger. It's not that I have anything against older characters at all, but it seems that after a good start with Kevin Smith that Ollie just fell into a mess with different writers either having no idea what to do with him or making poor choices like all of that stuff that spun out of Cry for Justice. Basically, too much crappy stuff had been done with Ollie and his "family" to really be recovered from other than to start over.

I LOVE Marvel (Hawkeye) and DC's main archers when they're done right, and all-too-often, they are subject to misstep after misstep. Ollie's character here isn't as complex as the one we've known all these years. The only baggage he appears to have is some mysterious tragedy that happened that he feels he could have prevented. Maybe he'll emerge as more of the cranky liberal we're all familiar with. Maybe he won't. Having a clean slate could do him a world of good.

I liked that the book had a slightly retro feel to it. there was nothing terribly angsty in it. We're introduced to some new supporting cast and a subplot or two. We see an old school super villain battle in which Ollie shows his competence at what he does. Yes, it was definitely on the vanilla side and without much of an edge, but maybe that's just what Ollie needs at the moment to cleanse the palate after what came before. It kinda worked for me, at least.

I'm going to try to pick up the book at least until I see what Giffen and Jurgens bring to the table as writers. It's decent now, and I anticipate it'll be that much better when they take over.